another stupid game reg

[boneaddict]

90% of my shots are pass through anyway, excluding moose of course and then no lummi whatever would have helped anyway.  I wonder if these things light up all the time or jsut when you shoot or what?   I am with you on tracking animals though.  When it does happen, it sucks cheese like nothing else.

[demontang]

Most of the nocks light up when you shot them then either flash or stay on solid.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

How would a lighted nock not help you on a pass through? I shot a deer in the snow 2 years ago at 26yrds, about a 10% incline up hill.. in 6 in of snow on a open hill.. clean pass through and I looked for that damn arrow for 35 min! id be willing to bet a lighted nock would have helped greatly......

[Ray]

I suppose you might as well start putting scopes on bows if you want to make a case for lights on arrows. Not much of a difference. It would help too. Real sporting.

[Ray]

Oh and you might as well attach the rangefinder to the bow or scope too. It only helps as well. No harm done. Ensures an accurate shot. I mean we are all after a good placed shot and kill right? 

Shoot... My pistol doesn't shoot as far as some of these bows do. Yeah maybe we should just lump them in with the modern season.

[popeshawnpaul]

There is a difference.  One helps in aiding retrieval of an animal and one helps to increase your odds of shooting an animal.  

How far do we take it?  Do we then outlaw compound bows?  How about steel razor heads.  Natives used rock arrowheads for thousands of years.  They used them so we should be able to figure that out right?  Come to think of it, we should outlaw pickup trucks while hunting because it aids us as well.  The real "old timers" never used pickup trucks...  

Obviously, there is a healthy balance.  If the lighted nock helps me find it after a shot and I can then look at it and determine that I gut shot my animal, now I can back off and give an extra couple hours before tracking so that I don't push the animal and loose them.  Or maybe I think I missed my animal and found it because the nock was lighted up...low and behold it has blood on it.  Now I can put time in tracking the animal even if it is not leaving a blood trail.  Once again, I'm all about finding game no matter what it takes.

Anyone remember the string gadgets attached to the bow and your arrow and when the arrow went through the animal you could follow the string to your downed animal?  I have no problem with "gadgets" like that.  

[Ray]

There is no difference to me. These people clearly cannot separate themselves from their gadgets when they leave your truck. These sort of folks cannot stop justifying a reason for a new gadget to help at any cost. Even if it means forgetting what archery really means.

The moment they allow elecronics on an arrow the minute I will begin making the case for moving that into the modern season.

But remember.. Even in the modern season they don't allow electronics on the rifles. My guess is that it will not happen any time soon. So I am not too worried about this. But I think it speaks volumes about each individuals character and personality as well as approach.

I am all for baiting and hound hunting. But I am not for electronics on hunting weapons. Hound hunting and baiting have been around for a lot longer than these new ideas that want to creep into our sport. The people who fought for archery season and made the Pope and Young Club would be ashamed of those who would propose of using gadgets. Or maybe disgusted but don't take that personally unless you have to. They worked hard on image. This would erode that image.

[popeshawnpaul]

I think it speaks volumes about each individuals character and personality as well as approach.

I think it speaks volumes about an individuals character when they think that an individuals character and personality are somehow related to the type of archery equipment they prefer to use.

[Ray]

It is directly related because some people don't have the perception of what are good boundaries for hunters image and what is ethically correct.


The good thing is a friend of mine was behind the work to put in the regulations that there should be no scopes or electronics on the bow or arrow. I'm very happy he was looking out for this sort of thing and understood archery hunting was generally supposed to be a primitive activity. A person their bow and arrow and their critter. Something which was supposed to distinguish themselves from the modern firearm hunter in a few ways. By different challenges and limitations which were inherent in the sport. Removing all the electronics and advancement was exactly what they wanted to do when the seasons were created and the bowhunters organizations like the Pope and Young club were created.

[deaddog]

I say nuke tip arrows ,itl help, and scopes, itl help, and laser sights, itl help, and helos to spot from itl help. and on and on,if you need that much help maybe its the wrong weapon for you.

[demontang]

You can use range finding scopes in modern season which are electronic and attached to the weapon. You just can use an artificial light or anything that puts a visible beam on a animal.

I still dont think you should beable to use anything like a scope or laser on a bow.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

IM still really confused on how you can take a simple thing like a lighted nock to help in arrow retrieval and compare it to a scope or some other electronic?  last time i checked that lighted nock is not going to make my bow be able to take a elk at 400yrds like a gun, so my super high end compound can still stay in the archery season with the rest of the bowhunters...... The bias in your statements amaze me, you really seem to be close minded period...... maybe guys that shoot long bows or recurves should have a sperate season from us "cheating" technologically advanced compound bow shooters? thats really what I get from your posts and stance on bowhunting, we are all in this together.. my broadhead goes behind the shoulder just like yours, mine just has a ton more knockdown power and range.. its still a bow.. its still a arrow....... period ..cant argue that.. I dont know why anyone would want a scope or any electronic on thier bow, but a lighted nock that its sole purpose was to aid in arrow recovery to me seems smart and helpful.. not in anyway hurtful to the sport......... just like the previous statment, we all know the arrow is the first thing all of us look for after the shot.... its the be all tell all of the hit and what our next move is...... id rather always find my arrow and know exactly where I hit then start tracking and go 60yrds before I find bad blood and push the animal and lose it..... that says alot about my character... I always want to find the game I shoot........ period...... if something new comes along that aids in that...... how can it be a bad thing? I dont buy the whole it used to be this way logic.... Ill take the high road if that means recovering more game and not losing it.... after all that is why we hunt..........

[Ray]

It is electronic. It is against the law. Thank goodness. It is in principle against the archery season because it is outside the boundary of primitive.

The fact that people cannot accept that tells me that those folks know little about why and how the archery community was organized and how older archers worked at distinguishing themselves with game departments and amongst other hunters. Establishing seasons and projecting a positive image as well as setting boundaries which are generally sound against the tests of time. I spoke to some of that above. It also tells me that these same people who would agitate that is an acceptable compromise don't really have the intention of maintaining the primitive part of archery. They want to advance it. Like I said before. The entire point of archery season is to remain somewhat primitive. Electronics on your arrow is not primitive. The fact that those folks cannot accept that their sport should be primitive tells me that they have either forgotten or lost focus on what was the intention of archery hunting. A distilled experience consisting of the archer, their bow and arrow and the animal. Not the archer, their electronic rangefinder, their lighted bow and arrow, and the animal. That is why advancement in technology is actually the low road.

[Ray]

I don't think this is a stupid argument. It is a real debate.