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No. it was never a req.
It was never a requirement to have a DP just to drive from pt. A to pt. B.
Quote from: washelkhunter on July 09, 2013, 12:56:25 PMNo. it was never a req.Yes, it was.
Ok. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.
Seems to me now, you will have to be parked in order to be ticketed. Could they nail you driving down the road out in the LT for instance. I know they posted officers out there "a checkpoint" and were nailing those without a pass. That wouldn't work now would it???
(2) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-usepermit is not required:(a) On private lands, state-owned aquatic lands other than wateraccess areas, or at agency offices, hatcheries, or other facilities where public business is conducted((.(3) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use permit is not required for:(a)));(b) For persons who use, possess, or enter lands owned or managed by the agencies for nonrecreational purposes consistent with a written authorization from the agency, including but not limited to leases, contracts, and easements; ((or(b))) (c) On department of fish and wildlife lands only, for persons possessing a current vehicle access pass pursuant to RCW 79A.80.040; or(d) When operating on a road managed by the department of natural resources or the department of fish and wildlife, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
Quote(2) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-usepermit is not required:(a) On private lands, state-owned aquatic lands other than wateraccess areas, or at agency offices, hatcheries, or other facilities where public business is conducted((.(3) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use permit is not required for:(a)));(b) For persons who use, possess, or enter lands owned or managed by the agencies for nonrecreational purposes consistent with a written authorization from the agency, including but not limited to leases, contracts, and easements; ((or(b))) (c) On department of fish and wildlife lands only, for persons possessing a current vehicle access pass pursuant to RCW 79A.80.040; or(d) When operating on a road managed by the department of natural resources or the department of fish and wildlife, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
Summary of Engrossed Substitute Bill: State Parks, DNR, and DFW may mutually agree to sell discounted Discover Passes or day-use permits under certain circumstances. The discounts apply for purposes of bulk sales to retailers, agency license and permit bundling, and partnership opportunities to expand the visibility of the passes and recreation on state lands. The agencies must prioritize opportunities for discounted sales that result in net revenue gain.Provides an exemption from the Discover Pass requirement for a motor vehicle operating on a road managed by DNR or DFW, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.Provides $5 million per fiscal year in litter tax revenue for the operations and maintenance of State Parks over the next two biennia, ending June 30, 2017.
I don't know about the RCW page, but here is a link to the bill that was just recently passed:http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5897-S.E%20SBR%20APS%2013%20E2.pdfAnd here is a summary of the bill:QuoteSummary of Engrossed Substitute Bill: State Parks, DNR, and DFW may mutually agree to sell discounted Discover Passes or day-use permits under certain circumstances. The discounts apply for purposes of bulk sales to retailers, agency license and permit bundling, and partnership opportunities to expand the visibility of the passes and recreation on state lands. The agencies must prioritize opportunities for discounted sales that result in net revenue gain.Provides an exemption from the Discover Pass requirement for a motor vehicle operating on a road managed by DNR or DFW, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.Provides $5 million per fiscal year in litter tax revenue for the operations and maintenance of State Parks over the next two biennia, ending June 30, 2017.
Look for a bill next year that upgrades your VAC, vehicle access pass to a discover pass for those consumers of more than $200.00 of DFW paper
Quote from: washelkhunter on July 09, 2013, 01:27:12 PMOk. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.The road had to have a "public use easement" or according to the law, you needed a DP. This is one of my main beefs with the DP--where I live there is no easement through either Weyco and DNR to forest service land. Consequently, we needed a DP to get to USFS land! (and with Weyco charging we would have had to have their permit too.) Many forestry roads have easements of various types--some for only forestry operations, and some for "public use". The DNR never bothered to identify all the easements and county roads that cross their land (which would be a big job and eat up Discover Pass funds). This change was needed and was championed by a forester friend of mine who was on an executive development program called "ag-forestry". All the logging contractors were having to get "contractor" passes from the DNR, and it was a real mess. Having to have that hang tag while driving was WAY STUPID (even for this state).
Quote from: fireweed on July 09, 2013, 03:59:41 PMQuote from: washelkhunter on July 09, 2013, 01:27:12 PMOk. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.The road had to have a "public use easement" or according to the law, you needed a DP. This is one of my main beefs with the DP--where I live there is no easement through either Weyco and DNR to forest service land. Consequently, we needed a DP to get to USFS land! (and with Weyco charging we would have had to have their permit too.) Many forestry roads have easements of various types--some for only forestry operations, and some for "public use". The DNR never bothered to identify all the easements and county roads that cross their land (which would be a big job and eat up Discover Pass funds). This change was needed and was championed by a forester friend of mine who was on an executive development program called "ag-forestry". All the logging contractors were having to get "contractor" passes from the DNR, and it was a real mess. Having to have that hang tag while driving was WAY STUPID (even for this state).my brother did a road building job on Scott Turner in Eatonville and he had to get passes for their personal rigs and the dump trucks cause they had to cross over onto DNR land to use the gravel pit
