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Quote from: bearpaw on July 22, 2013, 11:01:42 PMQuote from: huntnphool on July 22, 2013, 04:19:55 PMQuote from: WAcoyotehunter on July 15, 2013, 08:21:33 PMAlso- it was NEVER pushed along by outfitters as a trophy objective. It was sportsman's groups and locals that care about the deer that made it happen.Regardless what "objective" excuse was used, outfitters did indeed participate in the "push" to impliment the restriction, Dale was one of them. So wth, because I am an outfitter you are saying I don't care about the deer. I'll guarantee I care more than most people, no offense to anyone but it's pretty easy to figure out. I grew up here hunting from the time I could follow my dad in the woods and most all my family and friends hunt. My business depends on good deer numbers, why on earth would I want to hurt the deer herds. The whole NE economy depends on good wildlife numbers.This is getting pretty old hearing I am some kind of anti-christ because I am an outfitter. Some of you people need to get over it, the deer, elk, and other wildlife are more important to me than most other people. JEESH.....Come on Dale, you should know better than that. He said it was NEVER pushed by outfitters, suggesting that any and all outfitters had nothing to do with it, I simply reminded him that you are indeed a outfitter and admittedly was part of "the whitetail group". Never once did I insinuate that you don't care about the herds or are the anti Christ, I reserve that title to certain politians.
Quote from: huntnphool on July 22, 2013, 04:19:55 PMQuote from: WAcoyotehunter on July 15, 2013, 08:21:33 PMAlso- it was NEVER pushed along by outfitters as a trophy objective. It was sportsman's groups and locals that care about the deer that made it happen.Regardless what "objective" excuse was used, outfitters did indeed participate in the "push" to impliment the restriction, Dale was one of them. So wth, because I am an outfitter you are saying I don't care about the deer. I'll guarantee I care more than most people, no offense to anyone but it's pretty easy to figure out. I grew up here hunting from the time I could follow my dad in the woods and most all my family and friends hunt. My business depends on good deer numbers, why on earth would I want to hurt the deer herds. The whole NE economy depends on good wildlife numbers.This is getting pretty old hearing I am some kind of anti-christ because I am an outfitter. Some of you people need to get over it, the deer, elk, and other wildlife are more important to me than most other people. JEESH.....
Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on July 15, 2013, 08:21:33 PMAlso- it was NEVER pushed along by outfitters as a trophy objective. It was sportsman's groups and locals that care about the deer that made it happen.Regardless what "objective" excuse was used, outfitters did indeed participate in the "push" to impliment the restriction, Dale was one of them.
Also- it was NEVER pushed along by outfitters as a trophy objective. It was sportsman's groups and locals that care about the deer that made it happen.
Quote from: huntnphool on July 22, 2013, 11:26:05 PMQuote from: bearpaw on July 22, 2013, 11:01:42 PMQuote from: huntnphool on July 22, 2013, 04:19:55 PMQuote from: WAcoyotehunter on July 15, 2013, 08:21:33 PMAlso- it was NEVER pushed along by outfitters as a trophy objective. It was sportsman's groups and locals that care about the deer that made it happen.Regardless what "objective" excuse was used, outfitters did indeed participate in the "push" to impliment the restriction, Dale was one of them. So wth, because I am an outfitter you are saying I don't care about the deer. I'll guarantee I care more than most people, no offense to anyone but it's pretty easy to figure out. I grew up here hunting from the time I could follow my dad in the woods and most all my family and friends hunt. My business depends on good deer numbers, why on earth would I want to hurt the deer herds. The whole NE economy depends on good wildlife numbers.This is getting pretty old hearing I am some kind of anti-christ because I am an outfitter. Some of you people need to get over it, the deer, elk, and other wildlife are more important to me than most other people. JEESH.....Come on Dale, you should know better than that. He said it was NEVER pushed by outfitters, suggesting that any and all outfitters had nothing to do with it, I simply reminded him that you are indeed a outfitter and admittedly was part of "the whitetail group". Never once did I insinuate that you don't care about the herds or are the anti Christ, I reserve that title to certain politians. OK, my apologies for misreading your comment. I may be a little over-sensitive, I have had "he's an outfitter" thrown in my face once to often and I'm done not saying anything when someone comments that way. Outfitters have more skin in the game than anyone, not only do we and our families love hunting, our livelihood depends on good game management and our businesses support all types of other local businesses. Even the WDFW benefits greatly from my business in license sales.
no worries, group hug and all that...
Quote from: huntnnw on July 15, 2013, 10:41:06 PM"Let me clue you in............you have created a huge bubble of juvenile bucks with very poor antler genetics who are doing the bulk of the breeding......."This not correct...DNA is passed on no matter the age...even if his father had a 200" rack and he is the ofspring and one day if able to mature to 200" he still carries this gene no matter the age when he breedsThe problem is, generally the bucks that carry the big antler genes generally have bigger antlers/more points at an earlier age than average bucks. With most of Eastern Washington's buck seasons before the rut, the bucks with the best antler genes get taken out before breeding time, leaving the smaller/less point gened bucks to pass on their genes. Sure, some larger gened bucks will survive in the timber and brush of NE Washington and some will survive on private property, but the longer this experiment lasts, the sheer numbers of smaller bucks breeding compared to the few large bucks that survive to breed will tilt the herd to smaller antlered bucks. You may see lots of bucks, but they'll be sub-legal.A smarter strategy would be a spike/fork hunt before the rut, then a 5 pt or better hunt after the rut to keep the big boy genes in the pool. You could also divide the hunters by making them choose spike/fork hunt or 5 pt hunt, the way elk is managed by east and west side. That would lower the number of hunters in the field during each season and allow people to decide for themselves if they want a meat hunt or a trophy hunt.Don't argue with his "good science"
"Let me clue you in............you have created a huge bubble of juvenile bucks with very poor antler genetics who are doing the bulk of the breeding......."This not correct...DNA is passed on no matter the age...even if his father had a 200" rack and he is the ofspring and one day if able to mature to 200" he still carries this gene no matter the age when he breeds
I have heard that the study is finding that feral dogs are a significant factor in deer mortality
Quote from: PA BEN on July 15, 2013, 06:02:15 AMI know we had quite the spirited discussion over this when this rule first came about in GMU 117 and 121. This will be the 3rd year for this rule in these units. What do you guys think now? I still say kids and seniors should be able to shoot any buck. The first year my buddy tried to get his daughter on a 4 point and by the time doe season opened she was burned out and quit hunting. Last year she didn’t hunt until the doe season opened and she got a nice big doe. It’s all about getting the youth out hunting.Why start up the subject again if the subject was so fiery? I hunt in those two units the most and the whitetails have been destroyed. I have noticed considerable numbers of deer back in those units. I love it, I wish they would keep it 4-pt for at least 3 more years. Then start giving out liberal doe tags again. Just my opinion and , for what it's worth.
I know we had quite the spirited discussion over this when this rule first came about in GMU 117 and 121. This will be the 3rd year for this rule in these units. What do you guys think now? I still say kids and seniors should be able to shoot any buck. The first year my buddy tried to get his daughter on a 4 point and by the time doe season opened she was burned out and quit hunting. Last year she didn’t hunt until the doe season opened and she got a nice big doe. It’s all about getting the youth out hunting.
I don't wantto sound like a dick, and especially since I rarely if ever post here, but you have to be one dense know it all idiot to think this wouldn't work.