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[Bigshooter]

Do a google search, apr dont make deer herds bigger.  That's a fact.

[dscubame]

Do a google search apr dont make deer herds bigger.  That's a fact.

It does when the result is 50 percent less human hunting pressure in the unit creating a huge decrease of number harvested.  Again what I am saying is the result of the massive decrease in pressure and harvest numbers has resulted in the increased population due to the APR.  Fact is less pressure = less harvest = more deer. 

[Bigshooter]

Lol ok.  Your right and I guess that means a whole bunch of studies on this are wrong.
  Bucks don't grow heards.  Large populations of bucks puts strain on younger deer during the winter competing for food which causes younger deer to die which in turn reduces the sizes of the herd in the long term.  Thats another fact.

[dscubame]

Do a google search apr dont make deer herds bigger.  That's a fact.

It does when the result is 50 percent less human hunting pressure in the unit creating a huge decrease of number harvested.  Fact.

Lol ok.  Your right and I guess that means a whole bunch if studies on this are your.  Bucks don't grow heards.  Large populations of bucks puts strain on younger deer during the winter competing for found which causes younger deer to die which in turn reduces the sizes of the herd in the long term.  Thats another fact.

You do not understand what I am saying and I cannot say it any more elementary.

And as far as the food thing the units are full of crop farmers and nature habitat that has supported deer herds in numbers so much higher than they are at currently which is why the WDFW is trying to increase numbers to historical norm.  Food in these units are not a problem with current numbers, far from it.

[Bigshooter]

Show me one study that backs up what you want "Think".  Just one.

[dscubame]

Do a google search apr dont make deer herds bigger.  That's a fact.

It does when the result is 50 percent less human hunting pressure in the unit creating a huge decrease of number harvested.  Fact.

Lol ok.  Your right and I guess that means a whole bunch if studies on this are your.  Bucks don't grow heards.  Large populations of bucks puts strain on younger deer during the winter competing for found which causes younger deer to die which in turn reduces the sizes of the herd in the long term.  Thats another fact.

You do not understand what I am saying and I cannot say it any more elementary.

And as far as the food thing the units are full of crop farmers and nature habitat that has supported deer herds in numbers so much higher than they are at currently which is why the WDFW is trying to increase numbers to historical norm.  Food in these units are not a problem with current numbers, far from it.

Again you do not understand what I am saying.  Less attraction to the unit = less hunters = less harvest = more deer at the end of the season.  How can I say this any more simplistic?

[Bigshooter]

The problem with your argument is there is nothing that backs it up and every study that has been done on this is contrary to what you believe.  I am done with this thread unless some one can post something that says apr works. 

[dscubame]

The problem with your argument is there is nothing that backs it up and every study that has been done on this is contrary to what you believe.  I am done with this thread unless some one can post something that says apr works.

You want a argument and I do not have one.  Mine is a statement that cannot be disputed because it is based on math and for all the other opinions you and Sitka are spewing I have not nor will address. 

[Bigshooter]

To much food.  This area has had bad winter kill before has it not?  Isn't winter kill some of the reason they went to apr?

[Bigshooter]

These are not opinions do a search on the internet.  There have been many studies on apr by many different states.  You are the one giving an opinion.   

[dscubame]

To much food.  This area has had bad winter kill before has it not?  Isn't winter kill some of the reason they went to apr?

Not sure.  Unusually deep snow results in the lack of access to food in the high winter kill years.  It is not a lack of food or too many deer eating limited amounts it is the snow restricting access to the food.  The deer come down to the lower land and when the lower land has 3 -5 feet they are screwed.  Like in 1995 (I think it was 1995)   No idea how a APR decision would be swayed if at all.

[dscubame]

These are not opinions do a search on the internet.  There have been many studies on apr by many different states.  You are the one giving an opinion.

Please reread my posts directed back at you because I do not think you will find a opinion by me.  Just the facts of the harvest reports I had commented on.   

[buckfvr]

To much food.  This area has had bad winter kill before has it not?  Isn't winter kill some of the reason they went to apr?

Not sure.  Unusually deep snow results in the lack of access to food in the high winter kill years.  It is not a lack of food or too many deer eating limited amounts it is the snow restricting access to the food.  The deer come down to the lower land and when the lower land has 3 -5 feet they are screwed.  Like in 1995 (I think it was 1995)   No idea how a APR decision would be swayed if at all.

The back to back winters of 08 and 09, snow depth prevented deer from getting food and water in 121......deer yarded up along hwy 25, snow was deep all the way to the Lake shore.  Many deer died along hwy 25 and on the lake shore.  ( along with most other areas of 121 )

This played into the decision to apply apr.  Result, less hunters after a deminished resource.  Because of that, more of the remaining deer have survived the last few hunting seasons,  each followed by mild winters.  Like this year, last few have had early green up, and deer pulled through easily.  Many of the local annual deer camps have been empty or close to it......

Matters not what this study or that has concluded, we have a couple more seasons of it before change can come, so we shall see.................

[grundy53]

The problem with your argument is there is nothing that backs it up and every study that has been done on this is contrary to what you believe.  I am done with this thread unless some one can post something that says apr works.

You want a argument and I do not have one.  Mine is a statement that cannot be disputed because it is based on math and for all the other opinions you and Sitka are spewing I have not nor will address.

Come on.... you should know better then to argue with a google biologist. I mean for gosh sakes the internet told him everythi9ng he needs to know....

[dscubame]

The problem with your argument is there is nothing that backs it up and every study that has been done on this is contrary to what you believe.  I am done with this thread unless some one can post something that says apr works.

You want a argument and I do not have one.  Mine is a statement that cannot be disputed because it is based on math and for all the other opinions you and Sitka are spewing I have not nor will address.

Come on.... you should know better then to argue with a google biologist. I mean for gosh sakes the internet told him everythi9ng he needs to know....

My oversight.  I should have checked the internet.