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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2013, 09:32:07 PM »
i am 15, and i whipped out $140, bought anything and everything, when i turn 16, that will convert to $350 :chuckle: :chuckle: money well spent when spent  on hunting!!! :tup:
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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2013, 10:04:20 PM »
Woohoo! I forgot all about the raffles so I saved some money this year!

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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2013, 06:04:03 AM »
I only bought a few this year , about $200.00 worth .

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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2013, 07:35:16 AM »
i am 15, and i whipped out $140, bought anything and everything, when i turn 16, that will convert to $350 :chuckle: :chuckle: money well spent when spent  on hunting!!! :tup:
Hey Jack! That's money spent on gambling. Money spent on tags is money spend on hunting :chuckle:
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Raffle Drawings
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2013, 09:06:08 AM »
2012 Raffle Winners
Blacktail deer 110 tickets
Mule deer 10 tickets
Whitetail deer 16 tickets
Western elk 20 tickets
Goat 50 tickets
Moose 4 tickets
North Central Wa 50 tickets
Northeast Wa 6 tickets
South Central Wa 3 tickets
Southeast Wa 200+ tickets
Eastern elk,Sheep,3 deer Hundreds of tickets
2012 numbers?????
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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2013, 09:36:07 AM »
The last 2 years the North Central (sheep, mule deer and whitetail) raffle was drawn by the same guy. He spent $17,000 and $17,400 respectfully.

So try and tell me that these "raffles" are fair for everyone. I realize that it only takes "ONE" ticket to win, but the odds are way in the wealthy guys favor. :twocents:

I won't spend a dime on these raffles until there is a cap on the amount of tickets sold to one individual. So your guys' odds just went up :chuckle:

As for these raffle hunts, I see no reason to limit them as far as number of tickets per person, since the core idea behind a raffle is to raise money.  Money has to come from somewhere, regular license & tag & special permit fees only go so far. 

I see it as like any other situation, some people spend thousands & thousands and thousands of dollars on fancy, high end vehicles, houses, boats etc., while others can't manage anything other than a duct tape and bailing wire held together almost peddle mobile, maybe a not so desirably located rental house or can only bank fish.   

It is sad to say,  but that is just they way of our world and how it is, and seems if people who can but don't want to participate at that higher level, they won't, but I don't think, in the sense of being fair, they should be limited if they can and do want to.

I read a lot of comments that use the "everybody gets a trophy" win or loose analogy, when something isn't perceived as fair or what not, honestly, that sounds a lot like this right here. 

Like it or not, things are not going to get cheaper and it will have a higher impact on some more so than others, always has been that way and always will.

Just my  :twocents: and offering up a different perspective for discussion if anyone chooses.   Not meant as a ding towards elkstuffer, just thought  that post was a good contrasting view to this side of the subject. 

   
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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2013, 10:12:27 AM »
The last 2 years the North Central (sheep, mule deer and whitetail) raffle was drawn by the same guy. He spent $17,000 and $17,400 respectfully.

So try and tell me that these "raffles" are fair for everyone. I realize that it only takes "ONE" ticket to win, but the odds are way in the wealthy guys favor. :twocents:

I won't spend a dime on these raffles until there is a cap on the amount of tickets sold to one individual. So your guys' odds just went up :chuckle:

As for these raffle hunts, I see no reason to limit them as far as number of tickets per person, since the core idea behind a raffle is to raise money.  Money has to come from somewhere, regular license & tag & special permit fees only go so far.   

 I think revenue would likely be about the same if they limited the raffle tickets to a max of 5. I bet they would end up selling roughly the same number since more people would be participating and maxing out their purchase, rather than people bowing out knowing someone with $15k worth of tickets isnt cornering the odds.
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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2013, 11:04:51 AM »

Possibly huntnphool, but I wonder how many really take that into consideration where raffles are concerned and base their decision on just that factor alone  :dunno:,   I am sure some do and others don't.

But I think the under laying question is, where/when is it, or should it be truly acceptable to place any additional limits on our right to make personal choices such as these?   

Is it really reasonable to say someone shouldn't be allowed to spend what ever amount they wish to on a raffle just because they can and some can't or won't vs saying there should be a limit on, say number and capacity of magazines some one chooses to have or purchase for their AR?

And, please understand, I am talking about the principle concept of imposing personal limitations on things simply because some can and some can't, not trying to turn this into another gun control debate.  Choose the AR reference because it has been vigorously discussed in many threads on here, and is a strong example of the principle issue, controlling, limiting, or removing what are clearly our personal and individual choices.

How much more control are we willing to surrender or worse yet, self impose on ourselves?

Thanks for the input, appreciate hearing other perspectives...  :tup:


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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2013, 11:53:05 AM »
None for me don't have that kinda luck!

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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2013, 02:55:01 PM »

Possibly huntnphool, but I wonder how many really take that into consideration where raffles are concerned and base their decision on just that factor alone  :dunno:,   I am sure some do and others don't.

But I think the under laying question is, where/when is it, or should it be truly acceptable to place any additional limits on our right to make personal choices such as these?   

Is it really reasonable to say someone shouldn't be allowed to spend what ever amount they wish to on a raffle just because they can and some can't or won't vs saying there should be a limit on, say number and capacity of magazines some one chooses to have or purchase for their AR?

And, please understand, I am talking about the principle concept of imposing personal limitations on things simply because some can and some can't, not trying to turn this into another gun control debate.  Choose the AR reference because it has been vigorously discussed in many threads on here, and is a strong example of the principle issue, controlling, limiting, or removing what are clearly our personal and individual choices.

How much more control are we willing to surrender or worse yet, self impose on ourselves?

Thanks for the input, appreciate hearing other perspectives...  :tup:

Possibly huntnphool, but I wonder how many really take that into consideration where raffles are concerned and base their decision on just that factor alone  :dunno:,   I am sure some do and others don't.

But I think the under laying question is, where/when is it, or should it be truly acceptable to place any additional limits on our right to make personal choices such as these?   

Is it really reasonable to say someone shouldn't be allowed to spend what ever amount they wish to on a raffle just because they can and some can't or won't vs saying there should be a limit on, say number and capacity of magazines some one chooses to have or purchase for their AR?

And, please understand, I am talking about the principle concept of imposing personal limitations on things simply because some can and some can't, not trying to turn this into another gun control debate.  Choose the AR reference because it has been vigorously discussed in many threads on here, and is a strong example of the principle issue, controlling, limiting, or removing what are clearly our personal and individual choices.

How much more control are we willing to surrender or worse yet, self impose on ourselves?

Thanks for the input, appreciate hearing other perspectives...  :tup:
Then why not simply forgo the raffle and offer those tags in additional auctions if its just about the total revenue generated and not about providing a quality hunt opportunity for the average hunter?
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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2013, 03:38:13 PM »
I understand what you are saying, huntnphool, however, I think you are missing my point. It isn't specifically about quality hunt opportunity or revenue, because as has been pointed out it only takes one ticket to win.  The quality hunt opportunities are provided for the average hunter by the numerous special hunt permit choices/applications and our beloved draw/point system.

It is about the subject of picking and choosing what areas, subjects, activities, etc., that we are free to do or not do as much of or as little as we please, and having governmental intervention in the form of restricting or limiting our free choice rights even more.

Where do we draw the line? 

Is it okay if it is an activity or subject that one doesn't like or participate in, so therefore has no personal investment in and could care less about and then turn around and say it is not okay to restrict or otherwise limit an activity or subject that one does have a personal investment in and cares greatly about continuing to have freedom to choose without limits?

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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2013, 04:37:40 PM »
I understand what you are saying, huntnphool, however, I think you are missing my point. It isn't specifically about quality hunt opportunity or revenue, because as has been pointed out it only takes one ticket to win.  The quality hunt opportunities are provided for the average hunter by the numerous special hunt permit choices/applications and our beloved draw/point system.

It is about the subject of picking and choosing what areas, subjects, activities, etc., that we are free to do or not do as much of or as little as we please, and having governmental intervention in the form of restricting or limiting our free choice rights even more.

Where do we draw the line? 

Is it okay if it is an activity or subject that one doesn't like or participate in, so therefore has no personal investment in and could care less about and then turn around and say it is not okay to restrict or otherwise limit an activity or subject that one does have a personal investment in and cares greatly about continuing to have freedom to choose without limits?
If you are seriously going to equate a east side raffle deer/elk tag to a late permit tag then we will have to agree to disagree, you win!
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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2013, 04:49:48 PM »
Fair enough, clearly you aren't seeing that it is about the issue of personal freedoms being restricted, and when is it okay to have the government tell us what we can & can't do, as in this example, limiting how many raffle tickets one person can buy, and instead are just focusing on the hunting opportunity portion of it.

Thanks for the input and debate.  Enjoyed it!

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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2013, 09:10:30 PM »
How much did you spend on tickets?
I bought my husband and I each 8 tickets, a couple each payday.  AND HE WON!!!!  I am so excited for him!!! He was drawen for the Western WA Elk tag, Now we need to figure out where to go. We have never hunted horns, always meat, I am a little excited to, guess we can hunt any special draw unit. But were not sure where to hunt have always heard big stories of the Loowit, but also of the qunalt area. We have only hunted the Packwood area, and Ryderwood, Winston areas, so this is going to be really exciting!!

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Re: Raffle Drawings
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2013, 10:14:50 PM »
Congrats on the draw! :tup:
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