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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2013, 10:01:44 PM »
Hes' messed up don't shoot not worth it . i'm sure he's not the only elk around there.

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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2013, 10:08:08 PM »
Hmmm

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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2013, 10:08:55 PM »
I would not shoot that elk under spike bull regulations

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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2013, 10:25:06 PM »
Shoot em.. shoot em elizabeth!!
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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2013, 10:29:24 PM »
Illegal. Here's why:

You have to review the definitions just prior to the explanation:

Antler Points: To qualify as a point, an antler point must be at least one-inch in length, measured on the longest side.

Branch: A branch is defined as any projection off the main antler beam that is at least one inch long, measured on the longest side, and longer than it is wide.

Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these game management units (GMUs) must have at least one antler with no branches originating more than four(4)inches above where the antler attaches to the skull. An animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is legal in spike only units An animal with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal.


Antler point is measured from the tip, and he has two of them longer than 4 inches. The antler branch origination is legal, but his antler tip would also have to be under 4 inches from the skull. Basically it allows for little one inch stickers at the bottom of the spike antler. That boy looks like a 4x2.

It's not the Judge that finds you guilty it's a handful of people that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty. I wouldn't shoot it based on my understanding of the regs.
reading your highlights the elk has no branch above four inches and has no points above four inches. Your interpretation of a point definition is off. You measure a point from the tip to a beam or another point. Take the 3pt min for deer with your interpretation of a point. a 2pt deer with a half inch point forked at the end of the main beam is a 3pt becausr from tip to the base is more then one inch but thats not correct. I have seen a bull with a six point side and a spile with two points off the base and a forked brow tine. It was checked by a game warden and was legal. I say this bull pictured is legal.

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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2013, 11:32:38 PM »
Illegal. Here's why:

You have to review the definitions just prior to the explanation:

Antler Points: To qualify as a point, an antler point must be at least one-inch in length, measured on the longest side.

Branch: A branch is defined as any projection off the main antler beam that is at least one inch long, measured on the longest side, and longer than it is wide.

Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these game management units (GMUs) must have at least one antler with no branches originating more than four(4)inches above where the antler attaches to the skull. An animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is legal in spike only units An animal with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal.


Antler point is measured from the tip, and he has two of them longer than 4 inches. The antler branch origination is legal, but his antler tip would also have to be under 4 inches from the skull. Basically it allows for little one inch stickers at the bottom of the spike antler. That boy looks like a 4x2.

It's not the Judge that finds you guilty it's a handful of people that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty. I wouldn't shoot it based on my understanding of the regs.
reading your highlights the elk has no branch above four inches and has no points above four inches. Your interpretation of a point definition is off. You measure a point from the tip to a beam or another point. Take the 3pt min for deer with your interpretation of a point. a 2pt deer with a half inch point forked at the end of the main beam is a 3pt becausr from tip to the base is more then one inch but thats not correct. I have seen a bull with a six point side and a spile with two points off the base and a forked brow tine. It was checked by a game warden and was legal. I say this bull pictured is legal.

The regs define an antler point as being at least one inch from the main beam so it would still be a two point deer in your scenario according to the regs. The bull pictured does have two antler points longer than 4 inches. I'm aware how antler tines are measured :bash:

The definition of a spike bull restriction is different than the legal buck definition and measures the antler point to the skull. Again this allows for small kickers that are often obscured by ears and hard to see. Read only the last sentence of spike bull restriction to see what I mean. Reinterpret only this sentence:

An animal with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull on both sides is illegal.

This sentence is what makes this bull illegal, not the first sentence in the restriction discussing the branch.
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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2013, 01:30:59 AM »
Legal. It's a spike with an eye guard that simple. The definition is "originating 4" above where the antler is attached to the skull" ORIGINATING... Therefore begins, starts, (branches). So like I said spike with an eye guard on the right side. Tine length plays no factor.   :twocents:
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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2013, 06:19:23 AM »
  :yeah:

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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2013, 06:22:09 AM »
I think we have to send the pic to WDFW

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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2013, 06:29:05 AM »
Legal. It's a spike with an eye guard that simple. The definition is "originating 4" above where the antler is attached to the skull" ORIGINATING... Therefore begins, starts, (branches). So like I said spike with an eye guard on the right side. Tine length plays no factor.   :twocents:

 :yeah:  I absolutely agree.  Its basisally a 1x1x4 or like said just a very long eye guard.  I've seen  a 1x3x3 in the quilemene, I let it pass and another guy shot it and it was legal.
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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2013, 07:08:31 AM »
If it's going to take a jury to figure out if it's legal or not...I ain't shooting it!
If my first reaction is, "It's a two point!"...I ain't shooting it!
If I have to ask others on a forum, "Is it legal?"... I ain't shooting it!
If the gamie is standing right behind my shoulder and tells me, "Shoot!"... I still ain't shooting it!

I had a gamie in Oregon stop to look at a buck I shot two miles away from a rest area.  He tells me, "Dang, you got him!  I was hoping he would stick around until rifle season."  Then a ranger stops and tells us this is park property basically an extension of the rest area property two miles away.  $2,000 and four months of court appearances later I got to keep my hunting privileges and antlers.  But it was touch and go for quite some time even with the game officer as my character witness.  I'm not taking any chances at losing my right to hunt.  Just not worth it when there are other fish in the sea or elk in the woods.
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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2013, 07:12:01 AM »
Technically legal.  You can let 'er fly, just be prepared to defend yourself in court if you happen to bump into a game warden that doesn't agree. 
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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2013, 07:57:16 AM »
I won't be letting any arrows loose on anything questionable. It is a fun debate and that is why I posted. However, I will work on getting the opinion of WDFW for kicks and giggles.

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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2013, 08:00:02 AM »
I won't be letting any arrows loose on anything questionable. It is a fun debate and that is why I posted. However, I will work on getting the opinion of WDFW for kicks and giggles.

Thats cool  :tup:
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Re: Spike or no spike? Shoot or no shoot?
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2013, 08:01:06 AM »
I would like to see what they say.

 


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