Calling wolves?

[Jingles]

have added some calls to my FoxPro caller and am wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of any LAW that says I can NOT go out and attempt to call wolves in WA.
Did a quick scan of the rules and regs for big game hunting and didn't see anything so I presume there isn't anything that prohibits it

[buckfvr]

Unless ofcourse they go with the persuing or harrassing idea.

[barracuda163]

I heard its still legal to call coyotes.....   

[mulehunter]

I heard its still legal to call coyotes.....   

 

[Houndhunter]

Pursuit is considered hunting, trust me i learned that stupid lesson. I think you'd be ok, but still the right gamie would go after that and unfortunately there is alot of them like that.......

[bearpaw]

If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.

[Houndhunter]

If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.

If your howling for wolves your hunting, make sure you understand that. Any thing can be considered pursuit, and every pursuit is considered hunting. Just saying these guys saying howling is ok, is not ok by law. Again, i don't think most gamies would give you trouble but don't go by bearpaw's advice. No offense, but you are 100% wrong. If you call in wolves, even if just for pics, expect to have the chance to be persecuted for "hunting" wolves. That's the truth. I am amazed guys post pics of them on the web here in wa, just asking for trouble

[woodman]

If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.

If your howling for wolves your hunting, make sure you understand that. Any thing can be considered pursuit, and every pursuit is considered hunting. Just saying these guys saying howling is ok, is not ok by law. Again, i don't think most gamies would give you trouble but don't go by bearpaw's advice. No offense, but you are 100% wrong. If you call in wolves, even if just for pics, expect to have the chance to be persecuted for "hunting" wolves. That's the truth. I am amazed guys post pics of them on the web here in wa, just asking for trouble

What if you are calling for something else and a wolf comes in. If you photograph it are you sayng that you would be in trouble?

[3nails]

If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.

If your howling for wolves your hunting, make sure you understand that. Any thing can be considered pursuit, and every pursuit is considered hunting. Just saying these guys saying howling is ok, is not ok by law. Again, i don't think most gamies would give you trouble but don't go by bearpaw's advice. No offense, but you are 100% wrong. If you call in wolves, even if just for pics, expect to have the chance to be persecuted for "hunting" wolves. That's the truth. I am amazed guys post pics of them on the web here in wa, just asking for trouble

What if you are calling for something else and a wolf comes in. If you photograph it are you sayng that you would be in trouble?

Great point. Getting a ticket for calling in a wolf as "hunting" ain't gonna happen.

[CedarPants]

There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out")  Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.

That story was posted on here somewhere.

[buckfvr]

Any predator and birds of prey will respond to a call......but I still wouldnt trust the boogie man.   

[seth30]

I hear the sound of baying hounds attracts them

[CedarPants]

Try cow calling, that should bring them running in.

I'm talking Holstein, Hereford, and Angus cow calls - not Rocky Mountain Elk

[Houndhunter]

If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.

If your howling for wolves your hunting, make sure you understand that. Any thing can be considered pursuit, and every pursuit is considered hunting. Just saying these guys saying howling is ok, is not ok by law. Again, i don't think most gamies would give you trouble but don't go by bearpaw's advice. No offense, but you are 100% wrong. If you call in wolves, even if just for pics, expect to have the chance to be persecuted for "hunting" wolves. That's the truth. I am amazed guys post pics of them on the web here in wa, just asking for trouble

What if you are calling for something else and a wolf comes in. If you photograph it are you sayng that you would be in trouble?

Yep, i would not doubt wdfw to fine you for hunting wolves if that circumstance were to happen.... Just ask guys who have already been their....

[bearpaw]

I would call Olympia and ask!

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010

RCW 77.08.010
Definitions.

(65) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.

[Curly]

If you're a hunter, calling wolves is illegal.  If you're a wolf loving greenie, calling wolves is ok. 

 

[denali]

  Don't wear any Cabelas/camo , wear your REI/ Patagonia and you will be fine 

[bearpaw]

I would call Olympia and ask!

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010

RCW 77.08.010
Definitions.

(65) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.

If you're a hunter, calling wolves is illegal.  If you're a wolf loving greenie, calling wolves is ok. 

 

That depends on what the definition of harass may be and exactly what you intend to do if a wolf answers or calls in? If you snap a photo is that harassment, I don't think so. People snap photos of wildlife within parks in WA every year and they are not written a ticket. We post photos of wildlife year around on the forum. Is simply the act of calling considered harassing? I think a person needs to clarify by calling enforcement in Olympia.

[Special T]

I could not re-find it but there was a discussion about calling elk for some one else and if you needed a lic or not. I searched the elk hunting and Gen topic but could not find it is not very old. 3 weeks max. 

[Curly]

I could not re-find it but there was a discussion about calling elk for some one else and if you needed a lic or not. I searched the elk hunting and Gen topic but could not find it is not very old. 3 weeks max. 

Little longer ago than you remembered:  Try this

[Special T]

Funny how time flies.  Thats the one...

[Kain]

You can bet they will tell you it is illegal even if there is not a clear law stating it.  Pursuing and harassing definitions are kind of vague.  If a guy was out there bugling in bulls, calling predators or birds for photos without a license Im sure he would be just fine but since its a wolf we are asking about.  The game officer would surly write you a ticket then it would be up to lawyers and judges to sort it out.   

They still do howling surveys. 

Dear Mr. Kain,

 

We will be happy to send you copies of photos of the wolves in Washington that were from remote cameras or from the brief capture and radio-collaring of the male wolf, but it would be illegal to call and locate them for purposes of photo opportunities.  The wolf is an endangered species in Washington under both state and federal law.  The federal listing includes the western 2/3 of Washington, and they are state listed throughout Washington.  This activity (calling wolves in for purposes of photographing them) would be considered harassment and would not be conducive to protecting the wolves from disturbance; repeat calling can also push wolves out of their use areas. We appreciate your interest in this state endangered species, and request that you not attempt to call wolves for photo opportunities in Washington.

 
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at (360) 902-2515.
 
Sincerely,
 
Wildlife Program Customer Service
 
(360) 902-2515
TTY: (800) 833-6388
Fax: (360) 902-2162
http://wdfw.wa.gov

[h2ofowlr]

If your using a call to take pictures, how can it be construed as hunting or harassing?   

[wolfbait]

Thanks for the info Kain.

"This activity (calling wolves in for purposes of photographing them) would be considered harassment and would not be conducive to protecting the wolves from disturbance; repeat calling can also push wolves out of their use areas. We appreciate your interest in this state endangered species, and request that you not attempt to call wolves for photo opportunities in Washington"
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If calling for wolves pushes wolves off why haven't WDFW etc. mentioned this method for driving livestock killing wolves off the livestock?

I wonder if they are more concerned about others finding out just how many wolves there really are in WA.

 My neighbor had wolves after her housecat the other night about 3;00 in the morning, I guess I will tell her to start calling them so they will run off.

 I don't suppose it would hurt to do howling serveys, that way at least we can estimate where the wolves/wolf packs are as long as there is no picture taking going on it should be ok?

[bearpaw]

There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out")  Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.

That story was posted on here somewhere.

There are still wedge pack wolves and they are still killing cattle this year.
Watch the look on his face when all the wolves start howling. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM#

[Smossy]

There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out")  Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.

That story was posted on here somewhere.

There are still wedge pack wolves and they are still killing cattle this year.
Watch the look on his face when all the wolves start howling. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM#

Good video, thanks for posting bearpaw, how old is that?

[bearpaw]

There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out")  Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.

That story was posted on here somewhere.

There are still wedge pack wolves and they are still killing cattle this year.
Watch the look on his face when all the wolves start howling. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM#

Good video, thanks for posting bearpaw, how old is that?

Published on Aug 31, 2012 
KING 5 News

[bearpaw]

You guys wanting to call wolves in ID/MT or elsewhere, pay attention to how he calls, he does a good job.

[Northway]

If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.

I think most of the folks that you are talking about who have bragged publicly about howling for wolves had a bio either doing the howling or there with them.

From a prosecution standpoint, it seems there would be difficulty in convicting someone for this type of crime. What is the burden of proof to separate someone who is out truly trying to howl wolves in from the drunk next to the campfire who's howling at the moon?

[CedarPants]

There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out")  Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.

That story was posted on here somewhere.

There are still wedge pack wolves and they are still killing cattle this year.
Watch the look on his face when all the wolves start howling. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM#

Good video, thanks for posting bearpaw, how old is that?

Published on Aug 31, 2012 
KING 5 News

That's the one 

I was lurking around in the CNF in 111 yesterday and didn't call to any wolves.  I did however stumble across a few head of cattle that were throwing out intermittent wolf calls

[boneaddict]

 

You mean ringing the dinner bell

I will not confirm or deny that I call for wolves just as much as I do elk, moose, deer, or coyotes. 

[boneaddict]

And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning.  IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.

[Northway]

And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning.  IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.

I'll take that over griz encounters any day. My concern about them when backpacking in griz country embarrasses me.

[bearpaw]

And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning.  IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.

My son has had wolves flank him 80-200 yards and howling/barking for miles walking out after dark when hound hunting in Idaho, the hounds were scared and sticking close, he was just as scared or more scared than the dogs. That hasn't happened to me yet, and I hope it doesn't.

 

[Kain]

And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning.  IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.

My son has had wolves flank him 80-200 yards and howling/barking for miles walking out after dark when hound hunting in Idaho, the hounds were scared and sticking close, he was just as scared or more scared than the dogs. That hasn't happened to me yet, and I hope it doesn't.

 

Nightmares!

[boneaddict]

Coyotes can give you the creeps or send a bit of a chill up your spine once in awhile.   This is a fresh new hell.

[boneaddict]

Understanding from those that have had hounds out when they hear it, I can't imagine the horror that must go through their mind.

[wolfbait]

And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning.  IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.

Howling serveys tend to cut down on the pucker facter, especialy in the Methow. After a while it is just like your neighors dogs howling. When the abulance or cops sirens go off you can hear WDFW's wolves howling, I wonder if WDFW would consider that wolf harassment?

What about wolves harassing ranchers and your every day micro ranches? I kind of think WDFW would have a hard time pressing the issue, after all wouldn't they have to answer to the fact that they refuse to confirm known wolf packs?

[KFhunter]

wolves in the day time are one thing, wolves at night are a whole other thing 


I'd be wanting to strap half a dozen headlamps around my noggin so I could see 360 degrees 

[KFhunter]

And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning.  IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.

I'll take that over griz encounters any day. My concern about them when backpacking in griz country embarrasses me.

I'm with ya too, Grizz scare the hell outta me.  A fresh grizz track and I'm hunting elsewhere!

I gotta save a bunch of  and go hunt one. Maybe when I retire.

[h2ofowlr]

Sounds like a good reason to switch from a bolt action hunting rifle to an AR platform with multiple clips for the just in case.  Just in case you have to save yourself from this 4 legged killers.