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The DAILY limit is still 7 ducksThe aggregate limit is 21.That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.
Quote from: Fishnclifff on August 12, 2013, 03:36:23 PMThe DAILY limit is still 7 ducksThe aggregate limit is 21.That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.I see it helping out the club hunters the most.
Quote from: hdshot on August 12, 2013, 03:57:45 PMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 12, 2013, 03:36:23 PMThe DAILY limit is still 7 ducksThe aggregate limit is 21.That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.I see it helping out the club hunters the most.I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.
I got into this on another thread but the way that I interpret the regs that the possession limits applies from the place where the game is taken(field) to your personal abode, or temporary domicile, or temporary transient place of lodging. This is from the WDFW website. "For upland birds and waterfowl, the daily bag limit is the maximum number of birds that can be harvested in a single day. In some cases the bag limit can be an aggregate of species, but other times it is limited by species and sex. The appropriate Hunting Regulation Pamphlets should be consulted. The possession limit is the number of daily limits allowed to be kept in the field or in transit."So on a three day hunt as long as you return to your camp (RV, Tent, Hotel, cardboard box, etc.) you've done all that the WDFW asks to comply with they're possession limit requirements Therefore we've always been able to limit out on a three day hunt and be legal.
Quote from: syoungs on August 12, 2013, 04:00:27 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 12, 2013, 03:57:45 PMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 12, 2013, 03:36:23 PMThe DAILY limit is still 7 ducksThe aggregate limit is 21.That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.I see it helping out the club hunters the most.I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well. Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.
Quote from: hdshot on August 12, 2013, 04:13:46 PMQuote from: syoungs on August 12, 2013, 04:00:27 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 12, 2013, 03:57:45 PMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 12, 2013, 03:36:23 PMThe DAILY limit is still 7 ducksThe aggregate limit is 21.That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.I see it helping out the club hunters the most.I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well. Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.The statement in bold:This is the feds position, but, they can't back it up with the Mig. Waterfowl Act or any other regulation.I spent some time last year trying to get them to do just that. It is their "opinion" that is what the rule means. That is all I could get from the feds is an opinion, nothing in writing.Here is the wording from the reg. book. It is under the heading" Summary of Federal Regulations". Field possession limit:No person shall possess, have in custody, ortransport more than the daily bag limit oraggregate daily bag limit, whichever applies, ofmigratory game birds, tagged or not tagged, ator between the place where taken and either:a) His automobile or principal means of landtransportation; orb) His personal abode or temporary ortransient place of lodging; orc) A migratory bird preservation facility; ord) A post office; ore) A common carrier facility.The part in bold, means:The field possession limit ends when you leave your blind and put the ducks in your car.This is being debated and discussed by hunting groups all over. I've talked to guys from Texas to the SE.All agree with the field possession limit in bold letters. All states have something similar.
Quote from: Fishnclifff on August 12, 2013, 06:01:41 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 12, 2013, 04:13:46 PMQuote from: syoungs on August 12, 2013, 04:00:27 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 12, 2013, 03:57:45 PMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 12, 2013, 03:36:23 PMThe DAILY limit is still 7 ducksThe aggregate limit is 21.That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.I see it helping out the club hunters the most.I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well. Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.The statement in bold:This is the feds position, but, they can't back it up with the Mig. Waterfowl Act or any other regulation.I spent some time last year trying to get them to do just that. It is their "opinion" that is what the rule means. That is all I could get from the feds is an opinion, nothing in writing.Here is the wording from the reg. book. It is under the heading" Summary of Federal Regulations". Field possession limit:No person shall possess, have in custody, ortransport more than the daily bag limit oraggregate daily bag limit, whichever applies, ofmigratory game birds, tagged or not tagged, ator between the place where taken and either:a) His automobile or principal means of landtransportation; orb) His personal abode or temporary ortransient place of lodging; orc) A migratory bird preservation facility; ord) A post office; ore) A common carrier facility.The part in bold, means:The field possession limit ends when you leave your blind and put the ducks in your car.This is being debated and discussed by hunting groups all over. I've talked to guys from Texas to the SE.All agree with the field possession limit in bold letters. All states have something similar.Feds also have no laws that ban spinners as well. In the WA waterfowl regs just says "possession limit" and nothing else that I see. Possession limit is very broad that covers every scenario of harvested birds a hunter has whether in the field, transport, home, or even your Mom's house before consumed or prepared.
As for the spinners?The fed mig. act allows states to set seasons and harvest rules according to the population counts in their states.WA is not the only state that does not allow motorized decoys.
Quote from: Fishnclifff on August 13, 2013, 06:55:36 PMAs for the spinners?The fed mig. act allows states to set seasons and harvest rules according to the population counts in their states.WA is not the only state that does not allow motorized decoys.1. They DO NOT set limits by the population of the state.2. 48 states allow motorized decoys.Please carry on
Quote from: Ned on August 13, 2013, 10:39:06 PMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 13, 2013, 06:55:36 PMAs for the spinners?The fed mig. act allows states to set seasons and harvest rules according to the population counts in their states.WA is not the only state that does not allow motorized decoys.1. They DO NOT set limits by the population of the state.2. 48 states allow motorized decoys.Please carry onActually they do.After they get the survey results, they set seasons and limits.They also decide on any special rules for us hunters.
Quote from: hdshot on August 13, 2013, 10:13:41 AMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 12, 2013, 06:01:41 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 12, 2013, 04:13:46 PMQuote from: syoungs on August 12, 2013, 04:00:27 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 12, 2013, 03:57:45 PMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 12, 2013, 03:36:23 PMThe DAILY limit is still 7 ducksThe aggregate limit is 21.That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.I see it helping out the club hunters the most.I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well. Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.The statement in bold:This is the feds position, but, they can't back it up with the Mig. Waterfowl Act or any other regulation.I spent some time last year trying to get them to do just that. It is their "opinion" that is what the rule means. That is all I could get from the feds is an opinion, nothing in writing.Here is the wording from the reg. book. It is under the heading" Summary of Federal Regulations". Field possession limit:No person shall possess, have in custody, ortransport more than the daily bag limit oraggregate daily bag limit, whichever applies, ofmigratory game birds, tagged or not tagged, ator between the place where taken and either:a) His automobile or principal means of landtransportation; orb) His personal abode or temporary ortransient place of lodging; orc) A migratory bird preservation facility; ord) A post office; ore) A common carrier facility.The part in bold, means:The field possession limit ends when you leave your blind and put the ducks in your car.This is being debated and discussed by hunting groups all over. I've talked to guys from Texas to the SE.All agree with the field possession limit in bold letters. All states have something similar.Feds also have no laws that ban spinners as well. In the WA waterfowl regs just says "possession limit" and nothing else that I see. Possession limit is very broad that covers every scenario of harvested birds a hunter has whether in the field, transport, home, or even your Mom's house before consumed or prepared. Not true.The WDFW and Fed DFW have told me--state law is is similar but not more stringent than fed law.The state law reads word for word as the fed law and mig. waterfowl act.In 2 yrs of debating this, no one in any capacity in the Fish and game regulatory offices, both state and federal, can disprove the statement that possession is between place taken and your car etc....
God I'm bored. Sucks having a sprained arm and a cold.Okay so I started this mess again. Let's see, how bout this one.http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/Hunting/Waterfowl/FederalRegulationsforhuntingmigratorygamebirds.pdfCan't copy and paste from this one Read "termination of possesion".My wife loves it when I bring her gifts.
Our state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.The page heading is SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONSField possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.
Quote from: Fishnclifff on August 18, 2013, 10:12:34 PMOur state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.The page heading is SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONSField possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.Hold the phone man! You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did. Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws. Says nothing about possession limit laws.
Quote from: hdshot on August 19, 2013, 11:07:24 AMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 18, 2013, 10:12:34 PMOur state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.The page heading is SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONSField possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.Hold the phone man! You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did. Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws. Says nothing about possession limit laws.Back about 4 or 5 posts, I listed a PDF. On that PDF it defines all the possession terms.Under the heading "termination of Possession ", it says possession ends when the birds are gifted or taken to a facility described in the text.There is NO fed rules or laws , other than that text, that describe possession.There are certainly no laws restricting how many birds you can have in your freezer or home.So after your hunt, you cannot transport more than 21 birds at a time. The field possession rule ends at your car.The aggregate possession rule ends when you go home and say " honey, I brought you a gift".There is some noise out of Texas about getting a fed rule, similar to our salmon rule, about processed game, but,the PDF clearly defines the terms and restrictions.
I'm going to write up a scenario how field possession limit and possession limit works.Hunter Joe in is going to take a 3 day duck hunting trip. First day he harvested 2 mallard drake and 2 hen mallards. The field possession law allows him to carry his birds from the blind to his camper. But now he has 4 ducks in his possession with 2 hen mallards. Day 2 he harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and takes his birds to the camper following the field possession law that didn't exceed 7 ducks or 2 hen mallards but now has 9 ducks in his possession with 4 hen mallards. Day 3 harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and he now has 14 ducks in his possession with 6 hen mallards. Well on day 3 while he was carring his field possession of 3 drakes and 2 hens back to the camper he finds the mother load of ducks in a pond he has never seen a duck before. So he calls in sick but he knows he has his possession limit 6 hen mallards and had a nice hunt by getting (2 pintail 1 hen 1 drake) and 5 mallard drakes and could of been limited two hours early because he had to let the hen mallards go and had to watch his shots because the sun was in his eyes all morning. He now has his first daily bag limit and field possession limit to take to the truck and head for home with a possession limit of 21 ducks, possession limit of 6 hen mallards, and buys his dog a treat as thanks for not finding a duck cripple in the brush during the trip. Now he gets home prepares his birds into jerky which is ready to be eaten and saves some for his next hunting trip when his buddy and son can go.
Quote from: Fishnclifff on August 19, 2013, 12:37:28 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 19, 2013, 11:07:24 AMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 18, 2013, 10:12:34 PMOur state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.The page heading is SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONSField possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.Hold the phone man! You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did. Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws. Says nothing about possession limit laws.Back about 4 or 5 posts, I listed a PDF. On that PDF it defines all the possession terms.Under the heading "termination of Possession ", it says possession ends when the birds are gifted or taken to a facility described in the text.There is NO fed rules or laws , other than that text, that describe possession.There are certainly no laws restricting how many birds you can have in your freezer or home.So after your hunt, you cannot transport more than 21 birds at a time. The field possession rule ends at your car.The aggregate possession rule ends when you go home and say " honey, I brought you a gift".There is some noise out of Texas about getting a fed rule, similar to our salmon rule, about processed game, but,the PDF clearly defines the terms and restrictions.Yes there are loop holes, agreed. But if something were to happen you better have stories straight with others involved. I'm just stating what the law is. Yes I can see someone else legally possessing the birds you lawfully taken because is says possessed only by any one person in possession limit law. Doesn't specify that one person even needs a hunting licence, just lawfully taken. Yes I can see a non-hunting wife take possession of the birds her husband lawfully taken, as example.
Quote from: hdshot on August 19, 2013, 01:31:57 PMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 19, 2013, 12:37:28 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 19, 2013, 11:07:24 AMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 18, 2013, 10:12:34 PMOur state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.The page heading is SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONSField possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.Hold the phone man! You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did. Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws. Says nothing about possession limit laws.Back about 4 or 5 posts, I listed a PDF. On that PDF it defines all the possession terms.Under the heading "termination of Possession ", it says possession ends when the birds are gifted or taken to a facility described in the text.There is NO fed rules or laws , other than that text, that describe possession.There are certainly no laws restricting how many birds you can have in your freezer or home.So after your hunt, you cannot transport more than 21 birds at a time. The field possession rule ends at your car.The aggregate possession rule ends when you go home and say " honey, I brought you a gift".There is some noise out of Texas about getting a fed rule, similar to our salmon rule, about processed game, but,the PDF clearly defines the terms and restrictions.Yes there are loop holes, agreed. But if something were to happen you better have stories straight with others involved. I'm just stating what the law is. Yes I can see someone else legally possessing the birds you lawfully taken because is says possessed only by any one person in possession limit law. Doesn't specify that one person even needs a hunting licence, just lawfully taken. Yes I can see a non-hunting wife take possession of the birds her husband lawfully taken, as example. I don't understand the loop holes you refer to.The possession rules are for lawful hunters with a hunting license. These are the limitations placed on the hunter by the fed. mig. treaty. ie what you can shoot, how many you can shoot, and how many you can possess at a time.The rules do not apply to other citizens-- unless they are transporting birds.Possession ends when you gift them to anyone.
Quote from: hdshot on August 19, 2013, 12:51:15 PMI'm going to write up a scenario how field possession limit and possession limit works.Hunter Joe in is going to take a 3 day duck hunting trip. First day he harvested 2 mallard drake and 2 hen mallards. The field possession law allows him to carry his birds from the blind to his camper. But now he has 4 ducks in his possession with 2 hen mallards. Day 2 he harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and takes his birds to the camper following the field possession law that didn't exceed 7 ducks or 2 hen mallards but now has 9 ducks in his possession with 4 hen mallards. Day 3 harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and he now has 14 ducks in his possession with 6 hen mallards. Well on day 3 while he was carring his field possession of 3 drakes and 2 hens back to the camper he finds the mother load of ducks in a pond he has never seen a duck before. So he calls in sick but he knows he has his possession limit 6 hen mallards and had a nice hunt by getting (2 pintail 1 hen 1 drake) and 5 mallard drakes and could of been limited two hours early because he had to let the hen mallards go and had to watch his shots because the sun was in his eyes all morning. He now has his first daily bag limit and field possession limit to take to the truck and head for home with a possession limit of 21 ducks, possession limit of 6 hen mallards, and buys his dog a treat as thanks for not finding a duck cripple in the brush during the trip. Now he gets home prepares his birds into jerky which is ready to be eaten and saves some for his next hunting trip when his buddy and son can go. You just described a perfectly legal 4 day hunt, which would not have been 4 days without the change.So
Quote from: Fishnclifff on August 19, 2013, 03:37:12 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 19, 2013, 12:51:15 PMI'm going to write up a scenario how field possession limit and possession limit works.Hunter Joe in is going to take a 3 day duck hunting trip. First day he harvested 2 mallard drake and 2 hen mallards. The field possession law allows him to carry his birds from the blind to his camper. But now he has 4 ducks in his possession with 2 hen mallards. Day 2 he harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and takes his birds to the camper following the field possession law that didn't exceed 7 ducks or 2 hen mallards but now has 9 ducks in his possession with 4 hen mallards. Day 3 harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and he now has 14 ducks in his possession with 6 hen mallards. Well on day 3 while he was carring his field possession of 3 drakes and 2 hens back to the camper he finds the mother load of ducks in a pond he has never seen a duck before. So he calls in sick but he knows he has his possession limit 6 hen mallards and had a nice hunt by getting (2 pintail 1 hen 1 drake) and 5 mallard drakes and could of been limited two hours early because he had to let the hen mallards go and had to watch his shots because the sun was in his eyes all morning. He now has his first daily bag limit and field possession limit to take to the truck and head for home with a possession limit of 21 ducks, possession limit of 6 hen mallards, and buys his dog a treat as thanks for not finding a duck cripple in the brush during the trip. Now he gets home prepares his birds into jerky which is ready to be eaten and saves some for his next hunting trip when his buddy and son can go. You just described a perfectly legal 4 day hunt, which would not have been 4 days without the change.So So, you seem to interpret possession limit is a travel limit which is not true and no such thing.
As far as I've learned, from both law and friends, You can "Harvest" 7 ducks every day of the season if it's open to do so.Once you've taken them back to your home and "processed" them, they are now food, and no longer birds.From what I am to understand... that means your freezer can be filled with meat, but not filled with Feathered birds.There are no loop holes.
Quote from: BiggLuke on August 21, 2013, 10:58:55 AMAs far as I've learned, from both law and friends, You can "Harvest" 7 ducks every day of the season if it's open to do so.Once you've taken them back to your home and "processed" them, they are now food, and no longer birds.From what I am to understand... that means your freezer can be filled with meat, but not filled with Feathered birds.There are no loop holes.This was the issue I raised last year with the Feds. It is also the wording Texas is pushing for to be added to the Fed. rulesThe fed. lady kept insisting they were still birds if made into pepperoni. There are 2 legal cases where guys were cited for having killed some birds and their pepperoni sticks put them over the limit.I haven't been able to get a follow up on those cases.Her stand point was the birds have to be eaten to not exist anymore. She couldn't back it with a reg. or law, but it was her opinion that was what the law meant.
If that is the case I'm probably still over the possession limit. I have about 12 pounds of pepperoni left over after the season. I have never heard of any one busted for processed birds in the freezer.
Quote from: hdshot on August 19, 2013, 05:00:26 PMQuote from: Fishnclifff on August 19, 2013, 03:37:12 PMQuote from: hdshot on August 19, 2013, 12:51:15 PMI'm going to write up a scenario how field possession limit and possession limit works.Hunter Joe in is going to take a 3 day duck hunting trip. First day he harvested 2 mallard drake and 2 hen mallards. The field possession law allows him to carry his birds from the blind to his camper. But now he has 4 ducks in his possession with 2 hen mallards. Day 2 he harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and takes his birds to the camper following the field possession law that didn't exceed 7 ducks or 2 hen mallards but now has 9 ducks in his possession with 4 hen mallards. Day 3 harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and he now has 14 ducks in his possession with 6 hen mallards. Well on day 3 while he was carring his field possession of 3 drakes and 2 hens back to the camper he finds the mother load of ducks in a pond he has never seen a duck before. So he calls in sick but he knows he has his possession limit 6 hen mallards and had a nice hunt by getting (2 pintail 1 hen 1 drake) and 5 mallard drakes and could of been limited two hours early because he had to let the hen mallards go and had to watch his shots because the sun was in his eyes all morning. He now has his first daily bag limit and field possession limit to take to the truck and head for home with a possession limit of 21 ducks, possession limit of 6 hen mallards, and buys his dog a treat as thanks for not finding a duck cripple in the brush during the trip. Now he gets home prepares his birds into jerky which is ready to be eaten and saves some for his next hunting trip when his buddy and son can go. You just described a perfectly legal 4 day hunt, which would not have been 4 days without the change.So So, you seem to interpret possession limit is a travel limit which is not true and no such thing. He would not have been able to hunt the 4rth day with out the change. On day 3, he had his aggregate limit of 14 ducks under the old rule.I'm not sure what you are getting at with the travel rule.
Feds also have no laws that ban spinners as well.
