Hunting over gut piles

[stevemiller]

Hey if your going to teach tomorrows hunter know what your teaching.To answer your question as to why.Because i can thats why.This has been a law since 1996 nothing new.What was it you said to me once?Oh yeah if your going to get into a conversation with people be prepared when someone disagrees with what you say and be prepared for people to call you out on it.Jackelope would you ask me that same question if I had been a member since 2007?


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[h20hunter]

Hunters Ed is a basic class that puts focus on safety, safety, basic regulations, that kind of thing. I don't know anyone that would reasonably expect our hunters ed instructors to be a walking encylopedia on the laws. I suppose anyone that would expect that is either asking to much or simply looking to pick a fight? But thats just me I suppose.

[jackelope]

Hey if your going to teach tomorrows hunter know what your teaching.To answer your question as to why.Because i can thats why.This has been a law since 1996 nothing new.What was it you said to me once?Oh yeah if your going to get into a conversation with people be prepared when someone disagrees with what you say and be prepared for people to call you out on it.Jackelope would you ask me that same question if I had been a member since 2007?

Absolutely, if it looked to me like you were calling people out and starting trouble I would. What would the date you joined the forum have to do with anything?

Hunter's ed instructors teach general safety and the basics to hunting. It is up to the individual to know the rules set forth.

[jackelope]

Hey if your going to teach tomorrows hunter know what your teaching.To answer your question as to why.Because i can thats why.This has been a law since 1996 nothing new.What was it you said to me once?Oh yeah if your going to get into a conversation with people be prepared when someone disagrees with what you say and be prepared for people to call you out on it.Jackelope would you ask me that same question if I had been a member since 2007?


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This is reply #48 in this thread. 16 of the posts are yours. That's a lot. It looks like you're questioning everything everyone says. Starting trouble, calling people out or otherwise questioning whatever someone says all the time. It's your M.O.

[stevemiller]

everything?Everyone really?Seems a bunch on here agree with me thanks though.You are a mod bully,you pick at me every chance you get.Im done with you.

[pianoman9701]

Thats what I thought,Not trying to pick or anything sir but To bad you dont already know the answer to this,You know since your educating people on it and all.I would think that since you are a HE instructor by the time I got done typing this right now you would have already called some LEO friend of yours and got the answer,Thanks.I should be able to read that answer you got in oh maybe 10 min. at least. 

I'll let you in on a few things. First, Hunter Education instructors don't have any special access to WDFW LE, with perhaps a single exception - asking them to participate in HE classes. I don't have any "LEO Friends" in the WDFW, as you put it, and as an instructor, have no access to information that you don't have access to. I am a Master Hunter. Being such, I'm unwilling to do things in the woods which may be unlawful, unethical, or even interpreted as such.

Update: I just got off the phone with the LE for the area I hunt. He interprets it as baiting. Once you gut the deer and "expose" the gutpile, and then purposely hunt over it for bear, you're baiting bear. I won't be using this technique in the woods. Stevemiller, you might consider being nicer to your fellow hunters. Sometimes, people might take the things you say as being a jerk. Not me, of course, but some. Have a nice day.

[stevemiller]

Thats exactly how i feel about some members on here,JERKS.

[jackelope]

everything?Everyone really?Seems a bunch on here agree with me thanks though.You are a mod bully,you pick at me every chance you get.Im done with you.

OK. The cool thing about the internet is that it's just like TV and radio. If it's so bad you can turn it off. In other words, if it's as bad as you continually say it is, you can just leave. Then you won't be bothered by mod bullies like me.

[stevemiller]

I just got off the phone with the LEO in my area and he said its not baiting if you gut it there and dont move the pile to a diff. location.So not baiting.

[stevemiller]

everything?Everyone really?Seems a bunch on here agree with me thanks though.You are a mod bully,you pick at me every chance you get.Im done with you.

OK. The cool thing about the internet is that it's just like TV and radio. If it's so bad you can turn it off. In other words, if it's as bad as you continually say it is, you can just leave. Then you won't be bothered by mod bullies like me.

same for you,I didnt ask you to call me out but you did.I think your still miffed because I told you there are lots of things that are legal that are not on paper.The only bad about this site is people like you that look for people to pick at.You do it to me and others but its ok.YOU ARE A BULLY AND IM NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT SAYS SO,just the one that will tell you.

[jackelope]

I just got off the phone with the LEO in my area and he said its not baiting if you gut it there and dont move the pile to a diff. location.So not baiting.

Yet another LE officer says it is. So which is it....(general question, not directed at anyone specific)

My take on it has always been that it is baiting. It wasn't naturally put there. You kill a deer, you gut it(put the gutpile there) then return to hunt over it. What's the difference between you putting a bag of donuts on the ground or you gut the deer and the guts end up on the ground? The gutpile was not naturally put there.

[jackelope]

everything?Everyone really?Seems a bunch on here agree with me thanks though.You are a mod bully,you pick at me every chance you get.Im done with you.

OK. The cool thing about the internet is that it's just like TV and radio. If it's so bad you can turn it off. In other words, if it's as bad as you continually say it is, you can just leave. Then you won't be bothered by mod bullies like me.

same for you,I didnt ask you to call me out but you did.I think your still miffed because I told you there are lots of things that are legal that are not on paper.

Not miffed at anything you said to me, Steve.

[Bob33]

I just got off the phone with the LEO in my area and he said its not baiting if you gut it there and dont move the pile to a diff. location.So not baiting.

Yet another LE officer says it is. So which is it....(general question, not directed at anyone specific)

My take on it has always been that it is baiting. It wasn't naturally put there. You kill a deer, you gut it(put the gutpile there) then return to hunt over it. What's the difference between you putting a bag of donuts on the ground or you gut the deer and the guts end up on the ground? The gutpile was not naturally put there.

The difference in most instances is intent. You put the donuts out with the explicit intent of attractng a bear.

[h20hunter]

The only difference I see is the gutpile is "naturally" a part of hunting. Until the regs say you must remove all traces from the woods I see it as occuring as a byproduct of the hunt....the donuts were put there for a purpose that is directly baiting. I still don't know if it is right or wrong and agree that the best thing to do is like Pman said....check with your local gamie and go from there.

[stevemiller]

I just got off the phone with the LEO in my area and he said its not baiting if you gut it there and dont move the pile to a diff. location.So not baiting.

Yet another LE officer says it is. So which is it....(general question, not directed at anyone specific)

My take on it has always been that it is baiting. It wasn't naturally put there. You kill a deer, you gut it(put the gutpile there) then return to hunt over it. What's the difference between you putting a bag of donuts on the ground or you gut the deer and the guts end up on the ground? The gutpile was not naturally put there.

ok.  To me theres not many things out there that are as natural as hunting.Whether it be man hunting or OTHER PREDITORS hunting.If its down and gutted the guts are there naturally and not baiting.