Hunting over gut piles

[pianoman9701]

Well, what a fun discussion it's been. Have a nice day all.

[jackelope]

Well, what a fun discussion it's been. Have a nice day all.

 

[jackelope]

I just got off the phone with the LEO in my area and he said its not baiting if you gut it there and dont move the pile to a diff. location.So not baiting.

Yet another LE officer says it is. So which is it....(general question, not directed at anyone specific)

My take on it has always been that it is baiting. It wasn't naturally put there. You kill a deer, you gut it(put the gutpile there) then return to hunt over it. What's the difference between you putting a bag of donuts on the ground or you gut the deer and the guts end up on the ground? The gutpile was not naturally put there.

The difference in most instances is intent. You put the donuts out with the explicit intent of attractng a bear.

The intent is the grey area I suppose.

[stevemiller]

  would this be any diff. to anyone saying it is baiting if a hunter planted a berry patch in his back yard?then hunted bear by it.

[h20hunter]

Yes. Different. For example. I put out some cob a year or two back. Now, there are oats that grow. I can hunt the growing vegetation but if I would have hunted over a pile of cob that is baiting. You can hunt an orchard but not a pile of apples you put down.

[stevemiller]

Im taking your reply sir that you dont think its baiting to plant berries then hunt over them,is that correct?If so I agree completely.
If i picked said berries put them in a pile somewhere then yes baiting.

[h20hunter]

Yes. Plant a whole bunch of strawberries and apple trees. Sit back, wait for a bear to come in and want to eat the fruit right off the tree or plants and blast away. Pick a basket full, dump them, and now you are baiting.

[stevemiller]

we are in agreement.

[jackelope]

So it's legal to plant a food plot full of yummy bear treats, hunt over it and it's not called baiting?

Huh?

[h20hunter]

Yep. Good example is you can hunt old orchards....apples on the tree and fallen on the ground. However, you pick up an apple, move it over a foot, now you are baiting.

[lokidog]

I just got off the phone with the LEO in my area and he said its not baiting if you gut it there and dont move the pile to a diff. location.So not baiting.

Yet another LE officer says it is. So which is it....(general question, not directed at anyone specific)

My take on it has always been that it is baiting. It wasn't naturally put there. You kill a deer, you gut it(put the gutpile there) then return to hunt over it. What's the difference between you putting a bag of donuts on the ground or you gut the deer and the guts end up on the ground? The gutpile was not naturally put there.

The difference in most instances is intent. You put the donuts out with the explicit intent of attractng a bear.

This has always been my understanding when talking with LEOs in the past about this subject.

[grundy53]

I just got off the phone with the LEO in my area and he said its not baiting if you gut it there and dont move the pile to a diff. location.So not baiting.

Yet another LE officer says it is. So which is it....(general question, not directed at anyone specific)

My take on it has always been that it is baiting. It wasn't naturally put there. You kill a deer, you gut it(put the gutpile there) then return to hunt over it. What's the difference between you putting a bag of donuts on the ground or you gut the deer and the guts end up on the ground? The gutpile was not naturally put there.

The difference in most instances is intent. You put the donuts out with the explicit intent of attractng a bear.

This has always been my understanding when talking with LEOs in the past about this subject.

I've asked a few different wardens in the past and they all said it isn't baiting unless you move the gut pile.

[Bill W]

It's no different than finding a dead animal in the woods and setting up nearby.   The dead animal or gut pile is naturally occurring and not deliberately placed by a hunter.

[lokidog]

Hunting ducks over corn/grain spilled during "normal agricultural practices" is not considered baiting by the Feds, spreading it in your decoys is.  Seems like a pretty parallel concept.   

[Romulus1297]

I took my boy with me deer hunting on Billygoat Mt in the Alta unit a while back and saw a pretty black bear with a nice white patch and told him "do not get out of your car seat" The bear came toward me and away 3 times and finnally I clipped white hair off him  stupid scope mount was loose. Then my boy came walking down to see what I was doing. I didnt think he could climb out of his car seat. When it was over the bear was over a gutpile and did not like me below him but he vanished into Black Canyon. Was that an illegal shot