45-70 vs??

[HawkCreek]

450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.

I didn't check ballistics but Garrett has a 540 grain load for the .45-70. Tough to need more power than that.

[CAMPMEAT]

450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.

I didn't check ballistics but Garrett has a 540 grain load for the .45-70. Tough to need more power than that.

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That's just wrong...............oh god that would hurt.

I have a 450 T/C Encore with a 15 inch barrel w/brake.........................ouch !!!

[HawkCreek]

450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.

I didn't check ballistics but Garrett has a 540 grain load for the .45-70. Tough to need more power than that.

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That's just wrong...............oh god that would hurt.

I have a 450 T/C Encore with a 15 inch barrel w/brake.........................ouch !!!

Actually it doesn't. I know it sounds like it'd tear your shoulder clean off but the recoil in my Marlin 1895 is a slow push there isn't really any "kick" per say. It's a strange recoil and you know it's powerfull but it doesn't punish like it sounds. But then maybe it's fear and adrenaline that helps me forget the kick heh!

[yorketransport]

450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.

I've had both, and this isn't entirely true. Loaded to similar pressures the 45-70 wins every time. There's just no replacement for case capacity. So if you compare lever gun loads in the 45-70 to the 450 marlin it's a much more accurate debate. Neither one  would qualify as a wimp though!

Andrew

[Alchase]

Hi all,
 I have wanted a 45-70 for a few years now, mostly for when im pushing the nasty thick crap, want a gun with good knockdown power, open sights, and ive always had a thing for lever actions.

Nothing wrong with wanting a 45-70 or a lever gun, but the "myth" of a big bore gun being better then a smaller faster (more common) deer or bear round in heavy timber was dis-proven years ago.

There is something about a lever 45-70 that is just plain sexy though, LOL

[syoungs]

"There is something about a lever 45-70 that is just plain sexy though, LOL"

nailed it!

[PolarBear]

I know from experience (unfortunately)  that a 45-70 will go completely through a house and out the other side with very little expansion!

[coachcw]

I know from experience (unfortunately)  that a 45-70 will go completely through a house and out the other side with very little expansion!

holly crap !

[HighlandLofts]

450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.

I didn't check ballistics but Garrett has a 540 grain load for the .45-70. Tough to need more power than that.

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That's just wrong...............oh god that would hurt.

I have a 450 T/C Encore with a 15 inch barrel w/brake.........................ouch !!!

I know a guy who used "Bigfoot in heat scent" once and it worked extremely well and he said OUCH too,
 Big feet, big you know what!

[Nosferatu]

My 1895GBL loves the 405gr and 300gr loads from DoubleTap. I've used them on Elk, Whitetail and Mule deer. They shoot way softer than the Buffalo Bore loads and each animal dropped where it stood.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_44&osCsid=ctqq9e0tug7voq4p3d1bbmo1p6

[fly-by]

You will enjoy any of the big bores.  Handloading + cast bullets would allow you to take advantage of the tremendous flexibility they offer and get the cost down to where you can get in some real trigger time.   It also evens the field between the 45-70 and 450 Marlin, both of which have a greater selection of projectiles vs the .444, especially >400 grains.  Scopes with the right reticle can compensate for the loopy trajectory and you can chuck huge lead that is still easy on the shoulder.   One of my favorite loads for my Browning BLR in 450 Marlin is a 500 grain flat nose over a full (uncompressed) case of trail boss.  Just a big shove rather than a kick and it will sail through just about anything even at low velocity. SR-4759 is another good powder for reduced on up to very spicy loads.  If I had it all to do over again I would go 45-70 due to the large number of rifles chambered in it vs the 450.  I just wanted a box mag vs a tube. 

[arees]

Try some of these if the deer is on the other side of a tree and you don't want to wait for it to step out.

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/4570.html

I have also taken 540 grain bullets built sub-sonic loads that are amazingly quiet and still had impressive penetration.

[PNW_Hunter]

.45-70 is definitely on my list of caliber rifles I need to get! It will do pretty much anything you ask of it!