barnes 250 grain boat tail

[adictd2hunting]

I just picked up some 250gr barnes tmz spit fire boat tail bullets for my knight.   I was wondering if anyone has shot these rounds consistently.  And should i expect the same good results or bad if there are any.  Not looking to get into a bullet debate.  Ive shot other rounds with good results.  I bought these because i ran out of my other bullets.  And these were the only bullets i could find at the time that had the same weight as my other rounds did.  With muzzy deer right around the corner i didnt have time to search other places.  So i bought these.  Alittle more then i wanted to spend but i have some ammo now.

I shoot a .50 cal knight bighorn and use 100 gr of pellets.

Thank you in advance.

[buglin4bulls]

Heard a little hard to push down the barrel, but outstanding groups. Good luck and let me know how they shoot.

[Soady]

I just picked up some 250gr barnes tmz spit fire boat tail bullets for my knight.   I was wondering if anyone has shot these rounds consistently.  And should i expect the same good results or bad if there are any.  Not looking to get into a bullet debate.  Ive shot other rounds with good results.  I bought these because i ran out of my other bullets.  And these were the only bullets i could find at the time that had the same weight as my other rounds did.  With muzzy deer right around the corner i didnt have time to search other places.  So i bought these.  Alittle more then i wanted to spend but i have some ammo now.

I shoot a .50 cal knight bighorn and use 100 gr of pellets.

Thank you in addition

You should shoot a few rounds to see where they are impacting on a target and then adjust accordingly. My experience with changing from one brand to another  could make the difference of meat in the locker, to missed it by that much. Some items to think about, what round were you using and where was the impact with the grains of powder you were using. What is the ballistic coefficient of that round compared to the new Barnes coefficient round in the rifle you are using with the powder charge mentioned.

Google a search of that original round used in that rifle with that powder charge and then do the same with the Barnes bullet with the same grain pellet powder charge. As expensive as those Barnes are you do not want to shoot them all at a paper target to get them in the kill zone. There is a lot of information out there to be used as a starting point. Use that to your advantage to get grouped on target with the minimal amount of bullets, there are lots of other people who have invented that wheel already.

Example from my own rifle using the 250 Barnes TMZ  boat tail with this rifle: Knight Bighorn thumbhole stock with  80 grains FF Triple Seven powder, RWS musket cap sighted at 100 yards to one inch high will shoot all day long in very good groups and bit further.

My big question here is what round were you previously using, what powder and cap were you using, I already know you use a Knight Bighorn and 100 grs. pellets.

Those Barnes will shoot real good groups all day long you just have to figure out how your Knight wants to shoot them. BTW they will do everything stated in their ad if you do your part. Two years ago I took a doe at 90 yards shot through the under side of the neck head shot, flipped the doe, never left where she was standing, blood everywhere, the shot was in soft tissue jugular vein best shot option at the time.  DOA!

Another example my hunting partner is shooting his Vortek Northwest and a Hornady 240 grain bullet with 100 grains FF Tripple Seven, RWS musket cap, nice 5 shot group at 100, then loaded a Barnes 250 grn bullet with 80 grains FF Tripple Seven powder, RWS musket cap, impact was two inches higher, second shot was the same.  We ran out of bullets after that shot. Better bullet coefficient made the Barnes bullet fly higher with the same powder and cap.

Another friend shoots the same Barnes bullet mentioned out of a T.C. with 100 grns Tripple Seven FFF and a #11 cap dead on at 100 yards with nice groups all day.

My sons rifle Knight Wolverine 80 grns Tripple Seven FF 250 grns Barnes, RSW musket, nice groups at 100 yards.

So you see each rifle will tell you what it wants to shoot with powder charge and cap and bullet. Not to mention what sabot which is a whole other ball game as the ones provide with the standard Barnes bullet package are just a starting point. There are better sabots to pare with that bullet IMO.

[adictd2hunting]

Wow i did not realize how many variances there could be ive hunted with my muzzy for awhile.  I would just shoot get on target and go.  But this year i got a new gun and want to learn as much as i can about it. 

Like i said i have been shooting a knight bighorn the previous bullets i was shooting were power built 250 gr yellow tip.  With normal #11 nipple.  And 100grs pyrodex.

But now i switched to barnes tmz spit-fire boat tails.  And using pyrodex 50 gr pellets 100gr per shot with cci four wing musket caps.

[Soady]

Wow i did not realize how many variances there could be ive hunted with my muzzy for awhile.  I would just shoot get on target and go.  But this year i got a new gun and want to learn as much as i can about it. 

Like i said i have been shooting a knight bighorn the previous bullets i was shooting were power built 250 gr yellow tip.  With normal #11 nipple.  And 100grs pyrodex.

But now i switched to barnes tmz spit-fire boat tails.  And using pyrodex 50 gr pellets 100gr per shot with cci four wing musket caps.

So the results were what? Are you satisfied with the grouping and just wondered how the bullet would perform on an animal?

[kerrdog]

He's probably still digesting all that "science." 

[adictd2hunting]

My groups were good at 100 yards with a flyer every now and again. That was with the power builts . Only thing ive shot with them was a coyote and he dropped in his tracks.  Im going out today to shoot with the tmz`s i will post up some results later. 

[Kuduman]

Just went to the same sabot myself. So far I like them and the load I've been using seems to work well. a little hard to load especially on the third or fourth round without cleaning but excellent down range performance.
 Talked to a buddy that went to them when they first were legal to use and he's taken a couple of deer with them. he said the animals just crumple when hit well.  I'll be out on the opener so hopefully I:ll see how the preform on actual critters.

Good Luck

Kuduman

[Sabotloader]

adictd2hunting

Not sure this information will help you at all but will offer it up...

http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/muzzleloader/muzzleloader-accuracy/

[Soady]

He's probably still digesting all that "science." 

   

  So tell me I'm full of crap, or shut up about "working up a load." Just put in 100 or 120 grains of powder, your favorite bullet.......and shoot more.

Right........... very scientific words of wisdom there. Thanks for your contribution to the question at hand.

[Soady]

Wow i did not realize how many variances there could be ive hunted with my muzzy for awhile.  I would just shoot get on target and go.  But this year i got a new gun and want to learn as much as i can about it. 

Like i said i have been shooting a knight bighorn the previous bullets i was shooting were power built 250 gr yellow tip.  With normal #11 nipple.  And 100grs pyrodex.

But now i switched to barnes tmz spit-fire boat tails.  And using pyrodex 50 gr pellets 100gr per shot with cci four wing musket caps.

What is your new muzzy? I understand from the above what you are loading, are you using the standard sabots that come with the Barnes bullets?
Some good info here on sabot selection.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/select_right_sabot.htm]  [url]http://www.chuckhawks.com/select_right_sabot.htm    [/url]

http://mmpsabots.com/] [url]http://mmpsabots.com/ [/url]

Some more info on the Barnes bullet a bit dated though still relevant.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/barnes_muzzleloading_bullet_guide.htm]   [url]http://www.chuckhawks.com/barnes_muzzleloading_bullet_guide.htm  [/url]

[OnHoPr]

I haven't shot those but the Knight 250 gr like those and after shooting with target on a half rotten pine stump I found a couple laying on the ground just behind the stump and their noses were bent over or to say that one side of the nose bent into the other side of the nose making a full metal jacket type boattail spitzer and not mushrooming at all. I am not sure how the actual hollow point nose is designed between the two though.

[adictd2hunting]

Shot at 50 yards yesterday and had good groups about 5 shots and they were all within 2"s of each other.   Im shooting about 3"s high right now but thats fine because i still need to shoot it out to hundred yards so im hoping it will drop right down to were it needs to be at 100yards.

And yes im using the factory yellow sabot that comes with the tmz.  They seem to work well.  I will check out the websites tomorrow. 
Thank you

[black hog]

i was going to buy some of the barnes also today for elk season but the package said they needed a special starting tool and they did not have one at cabelas did you get one

[adictd2hunting]

No i did not get the tool.  I just use my starter and ram rod and havent had an issue yet.  My ram rod seems to seat the bullet just fine.  Until i start seeing a problem on paper im not going to buy one.  I will see if theres a difference when i start shooting out to 100 yrds. Im going to try and shoo thursday.  I also bought my bullets at cabelas and they didnt have the starting tool then either. That was two weeks ago.  You would think they would stock with muzzy seson right around the corner.   I did find it on ebay for like $8.00 though.   And also thought about trying the muzzleloader shop down on river road. 

[adictd2hunting]

I shot my muzzy tonight at 100 yards and im super happy with the barnes bullets they shoot extremely consistent.  No complaints.  It took a few shots to get my peep dialed in.  I love this set-up.
It shoots awesome. 

[Big Horn]

Great bullet I have had great groups with them using 120gr of 777 ffg out of my TC boackdiamond xr

[adictd2hunting]

Well im very pleased with the barnes.

[Big Horn]

  great buck!

[Capt. Rob]

  Great buck. I shoot that bullet with 120 gr 777 loose and out of my TC B/D XR and it will shoot great out to 180yds. The buck is on the wall to prove it! I cant say enough good things about them.

[adictd2hunting]

Great buck. I shoot that bullet with 120 gr 777 loose and out of my TC B/D XR and it will shoot great out to 180yds. The buck is on the wall to prove it! I cant say enough good things about them.

Nice i shot him at 88 yards.  Buy figured i could should out to 150.  I was 1.5" high at 100 yards so i figured i might have been able to shot that far with a good rest.  But fortunately i didnt have to.  Shoot that far.