Your welcome Nez Pierce.

[PlateauNDN]

I believe we live by rules and regs set by our forefathers.  The difference is our forefathers negotiated a deal and my forefathers secured things for our People before signing.  In the end the US Govt ended up with more than any Tribe did in any Treaty.  Life is not fair but life goes on regardless.  Maybe WA State should give up statehood because its starting to live by different rules and regs? 

[turkeyfeather]

You didn't answer my question?

[runamuk]

 

Plat is probably pulling his hair out about now...here we go again  


I actually am on the equal across the board side, however I cant change that I am one person, what i can do is make good note of individuals acting like asses and then make them known to the tribal authorities and press for some solutions, squeaky wheel theory of making changes even little ones. 

however this is my agree to disagree because I think Plat and a few others here are really standup guys and I don't want to tear down friendships based on differing opinions.  I think we can work together to make changes or we can divide another faction of hunters and further the governments agenda of letting us eat our own until they win and we are gone.

[Bigtine96]

Tribal hunting is tribal hunting, stay on your tribes land and I don't think there would be any more complaining. But coming off the Rez to hunt a limited draw area that will take a guy like me a lifetime to maybe draw a tag for an animal that wasn't even around before the "Whiteman" planted it is straight BS.

[turkeyfeather]

Plat is probably pulling his hair out about now...here we go again  


I actually am on the equal across the board side, however I cant change that I am one person, what i can do is make good note of individuals acting like asses and then make them known to the tribal authorities and press for some solutions, squeaky wheel theory of making changes even little ones. 

however this is my agree to disagree because I think Plat and a few others here are really standup guys and I don't want to tear down friendships based on differing opinions.  I think we can work together to make changes or we can divide another faction of hunters and further the governments agenda of letting us eat our own until they win and we are gone.

I don't disagree with you run. I don't know Plat, but based off of this site I believe him to be a standup guy. But that would make him the minority in my opinion.

Tribal hunting is tribal hunting, stay on your tribes land and I don't think there would be any more complaining. But coming off the Rez to hunt a limited draw area that will take a guy like me a lifetime to maybe draw a tag for an animal that wasn't even around before the "Whiteman" planted it is straight BS.

[PlateauNDN]

   not yet Run, I'm chiming in between plays watchung my DUCKS oh nevermind games  over and thy chalked up another win. 

Turkey, I did and stated LIFE IS NOT FAIR and I deal with things everyday that are not fair.  Its life/reality.

[HHPro]

When the treaties are being abused it's time to reevaluate them when treaties are causing our fish and game to dwindle its time to reevaluate them.If you don't feel the same then fine but ignorance of abuse is not an answer to the over harvesting of the fish and game,poachers go to jail so should abusive native Americans there just as much responsible.

[Bean Counter]

Other than type of weapon I don't see the problem it happens all the time.   get further from the road next time.

How come indians don't get off the road? Sounds pretty lazy to me...

Because that would actually be hunting and they dont want to break "tradition"

If they want special seasons based on "tradition" then they should have to do it the traditional way: hand carved long bow, riding on a horse, wearing leather mocassins. There's your tradition.

[PlateauNDN]

I hunt, fish and gather where my ancestors and my forefathers secured that right.  It just so happens to be off the rez.  It doesn't make it any different then anybody else enjoyimg thimgs in different areas away from their home areas.  Last I checked the animals were here just reintroduced.

[PlateauNDN]

Oh I agree, when they are broken, violated or abused there should be something done.  It should be retroactive back to when it was first violated then.

[runamuk]

Other than type of weapon I don't see the problem it happens all the time.   get further from the road next time.

How come indians don't get off the road? Sounds pretty lazy to me...

Because that would actually be hunting and they dont want to break "tradition"

If they want special seasons based on "tradition" then they should have to do it the traditional way: hand carved long bow, riding on a horse, wearing leather mocassins. There's your tradition.

This is inaccurate horses and muskets came with the white man or Spaniards by the time the natives had horses they also would have had access in some areas to guns. People forget horses were not native to this continent, they had been but went extinct probably prior to the theorized arrival of our native populations across the land bridge near the end of the ice age.  Really if we want to get seriously historical China was here first 

about 10k years ago so maybe they are just trying to reclaim their people and lands now

[PlateauNDN]

    this is not going to be any different just like the other 100 threads so I'm going to get back to my saturday football.   

[turkeyfeather]

I guess I fail to see why natives think they are special and therefore should get special priveledges.

[trophyhunt]

A lot of people have had to change traditions in the past few hundred years, I also want plat to know I do not hold any disrespect toward him or those that don't take advantage of their rights, I know you don't need to hear this from me but I just wanted to put it out there. I also agree the natives should be forced to hunt with traditional methods, then I think only the real respectable hunters would hunt. The treaties do need to be abolished, all men were created equal, right ?

[Simcoe hunter]

Man these threads get old. Not all of us Indians are that way, just like not all of Washington hunters are good up standing individuals.

 

they do get old but they will never go away, I don't ever see our government making things right and changing the rules to make all on the same level. And for the record, I have respect for a few Indians but not the ones who don't respect the game.

I view it as a contract and would be concerned if the government decided to break it because of what else they would feel they could start breaking.  Unless the Indians are violating their terms, I can't see the government amending on their part.

it was written in way different times, many things have changed. Most tribes are well off, the mucks have more money than some small countries. The fish and game are the ones who get caught up in this mess. The Indians always say they are a separate nation, they want nothing to do with our government unless its a piece of paper giving them the right to net and fish at there free will. They need to change to damn treaty and get on the same playing field as us.

We could lobby our elected officials to cut off all monetary support to "separate nations" that have their own casinoes and sawmills, etc...

Except that I don't believe the Constitution allows for separate nations within out borders like they claim.  So to be protected by the constitution You should have to play by the constitution.  Fair is fair.  You shouldn't be able to have it both ways.