Your welcome Nez Pierce.

[CAMPMEAT]

Man these threads get old. Not all of us Indians are that way, just like not all of Washington hunters are good up standing individuals.

Exactly.............

[buckfvr]

Yep......so in order to be fair with the state tribes and the Nez Perce in particular, maybe this state should do as most other states have done, and that is reimburse them for timber, water, and mineral rights......oh wait....this state some time back decided it would be too expensive to reimburse ( since they waited too long after other states did it ), and decided fish and game would serve the purpose more effectively, hence fish and game is the sacrificial lamb.

Complain away........whats done is done.  SO instead, lets abolish the government treaties, and while were at it, lets just let the government decide to abolish the constitution.  Treaties are the governments contracts with the natives , same as the constitution is our contract...........both need to be upheld to disalloy further government destruction of all our ways of life.   

[runamuk]

I can't believe I am about to do this but....the treaties are in essence their constitution, thus if their treaties are due for a change due to times changing then so is our constitution.  The treaties guaranteed rights same as the constitution guarantees rights.  The issue I have is the treaties are not enforced in their entirety, there is some selective use of interpreting terminology and language that burns my biscuits, this is however a whole other can of worms.  That isn't just about hunting and fishing and a few bad bad apples that manage to make entire tribes appear to be a bunch of jerks.  Politics are politics, tribes, Us, UN its all about power and control, when really the average Joe or Joette just wants to carry on family traditions and enjoy their life without a bunch of hassle.

If you see someone doing something that you feel isnt right document it get pics license numbers locations dates times and report to WDFW, local authorities, and yes tribal authorities if you know for sure its tribal.  Or come on here and start a thread posting pics of vehicles and people, thats worked before

[buckfvr]

 

The powers to be and their lack of ethical and appropriate management of their charge...........or they're just ignorant and corrupt..........

[PolarBear]

I wish that I could hunt and fish as I please on the same grounds as my forefathers.  My family has been here in Washington before it was a state (mid 1800's).  Unfortunately, I have to abide by the laws that are currently being enforced and don't have an outdated treaty to give me special rights over others.

[trophyhunt]

Please don't compare our constitution to the treaties, the indians don't! They are proud to NOT be our nation, they love being seperate, we hear that all the time. So, the constitution does not apply to them when they don't want it to, nice to pick and choose what you want!

[Special T]

I don't know if anyone can answer this question. What other states have Indian reservations that worked out deals for off Rez Rights? Obviously WA... Nez Pierce in ID? where else??? Does anyone know of a book that is written on the subject of How the treaties came to be and why they were so different? From ANY point of view...

[trophyhunt]

I don't know if anyone can answer this question. What other states have Indian reservations that worked out deals for off Rez Rights? Obviously WA... Nez Pierce in ID? where else??? Does anyone know of a book that is written on the subject of How the treaties came to be and why they were so different? From ANY point of view...

i may be wrong but I think the Oregon tribes don't have the same hunting rights as wa and or tribes.

[The100Road]

Other than type of weapon I don't see the problem it happens all the time.   get further from the road next time.

Why should he have to get further from the road? Or what if he was starting a 20 mile hike and seen elk. "damn, only if these elk where farther from the road i could call one in and shoot it" 

It doesnt matter what tribe it was. its messed up in general. Its basically a once in a lifetime tag given to these people yearly and taken for granted.

[Blacktail Sniper]

Quick google search and I found these:


http://www.goia.wa.gov/Treaties/Treaties.htm


http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/tribal/treaty_history.html


http://www.fws.gov/pacific/ea/tribal/treaties/Middle_OR_Tribes1865.pdf

http://www.washington.edu/uwired/outreach/cspn/Website/Classroom%20Materials/Pacific%20Northwest%20History/Lessons/Lesson%2011/11.html

[Green broke]

I don't know if anyone can answer this question. What other states have Indian reservations that worked out deals for off Rez Rights? Obviously WA... Nez Pierce in ID? where else??? Does anyone know of a book that is written on the subject of How the treaties came to be and why they were so different? From ANY point of view...

The great lakes tribes have similar treaties.  They have also negotiated resource allocation with the states, which has resulted in a larger harvest% by the tribes.

[6x6in6]

What other states have Indian reservations that worked out deals for off Rez Rights?

In Montana, both the Blackfoot and Flathead's have the right to harvest an animal for ceremonial or cultural purposes year around, on or off rez as long as it's within the outlined areas agreed to in the treaty. 
Not sure about others in MT like the Crow's, North Cheyenne, etc, since certain groups of tribes negotiated their treaty language separately.

I know the Blackfoot's exercise their right but not very often.  They have an abundance of game on their rez, as do the Flathead's.  To the degree that it's actually trophy quality.
My parents, who live about 75 miles from the Blackfoot Rez, have had tribal members harvest Cali Bighorns from the hillside right in front of their house.  Also taken both bull and cow moose near their place also.  This area is within their usual and accustomed land as detailed in the treaty.

[Simcoe hunter]

Tribal hunting is tribal hunting, stay on your tribes land and I don't think there would be any more complaining. But coming off the Rez to hunt a limited draw area that will take a guy like me a lifetime to maybe draw a tag for an animal that wasn't even around before the "Whiteman" planted it is straight BS.

I have to agree with this.  I don't care what rights you think some treaty gives you.  This is my point about getting one over on Whitey.  When their forefathers secured them the rights they have they had no idea they would be riding around in trucks and shooting anything other than primitive archery and firearms.  It is time they were citizens like the rest of us.

So we bring up the we were here first argument.  Hmmm...  Do you know why the tribes wanted Kennewick Man so fast?  Because it was about to proven through those remains that another race predated the native american.  Now that would have changed everything.  That whole first american thing was about to go right out the door, eclipsing their argument to keep them in the treaties.

[Green broke]

For shooting 2 different bulls that were coming in to my calls. Im archery hunting and they get to drive around in there trucks, listen for calls, and shoot them from the road. Wish we all had to follow the same rules.

You were calling from the road?  You called a bull to the road and it got shot so you did it again?  I don't think this story was intended to do anything but stir the pot. If I had a highly coveted tag that took years to draw I don't think I would risk calling within range of the road,  and I certainly wouldn'tdoit twice. 

[bowhunterwa87]

itll never change..just like selling um whole to migrant workers in wapato and toppenish for $50