Your welcome Nez Pierce.

[Green broke]

You guys that claim the op was calling from the road, how do you know that? How do you know the guy wasn't way off the road and the native wasnt a really good long range shot?

Exactly. Im thinking he was on the far hillside and calling a bull up from the bottom. truck comes driving down the ridge and shoots the bull across the canyon from the road. anything like that could have happened. its just wrong that you even have to worry about that in archery season.

How is it wrong?  The tribal member was within his legal rights correct? Weather you or I or anyone else agrees with it we are here.

[BAR C3]

For shooting 2 different bulls that were coming in to my calls. Im archery hunting and they get to drive around in there trucks, listen for calls, and shoot them from the road. Wish we all had to follow the same rules.

Where did you go GoneHuntin68? Come on here and stir the *censored* up and can't follow up with a real story?
How about you come back in few weeks after recovering from the ass whipping the Forty Whiners are going to take tomorrow!

[Simcoe hunter]

I can't believe I am about to do this but....the treaties are in essence their constitution, thus if their treaties are due for a change due to times changing then so is our constitution.  The treaties guaranteed rights same as the constitution guarantees rights.  The issue I have is the treaties are not enforced in their entirety, there is some selective use of interpreting terminology and language that burns my biscuits, this is however a whole other can of worms.  That isn't just about hunting and fishing and a few bad bad apples that manage to make entire tribes appear to be a bunch of jerks.  Politics are politics, tribes, Us, UN its all about power and control, when really the average Joe or Joette just wants to carry on family traditions and enjoy their life without a bunch of hassle.

If you see someone doing something that you feel isnt right document it get pics license numbers locations dates times and report to WDFW, local authorities, and yes tribal authorities if you know for sure its tribal.  Or come on here and start a thread posting pics of vehicles and people, thats worked before

Yes.  I like that.  Public humiliation whenever possible.  Like the old days of putting them in locks in the public square.

[Special T]

Quick google search and I found these:

http://www.goia.wa.gov/Treaties/Treaties.htm
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/tribal/treaty_history.html
http://www.fws.gov/pacific/ea/tribal/treaties/Middle_OR_Tribes1865.pdf
http://www.washington.edu/uwired/outreach/cspn/Website/Classroom%20Materials/Pacific%20Northwest%20History/Lessons/Lesson%2011/11.html

Thx Blacktail. I've come up with a couple of the first ones but not the last one. Very interesting reading.

I always pull 2 things out of these discussions/rants. When we elect stupid incompetent people to make decisions for us as a state, It is near impossible to undo, and we suffer for our bad choice for much longer than it takes us to fire their but.

[WSU]

I guess I fail to see why natives think they are special and therefore should get special priveledges.

They traded land for the rez and the right to hunt and fish.  Maybe we should all give our houses back to whatever tribe was in our local area and the tribes can give up their right to fish.  Would undoing the deal make you happier?  I am guessing it would only make you happier if you got to keep the half that benefits you but reneg on the half that doesn't.

[turkeyfeather]

I guess I fail to see why natives think they are special and therefore should get special priveledges.

They traded land for the rez and the right to hunt and fish.  Maybe we should all give our houses back to whatever tribe was in our local area and the tribes can give up their right to fish.  Would undoing the deal make you happier?  I am guessing it would only make you happier if you got to keep the half that benefits you but reneg on the half that doesn't.

Nope, your wrong. I think we should all have to live by the same rules. I am just really tired of this you took our land crap. Your comment about keeping only what benefits you and renegging on the rest actually could be applied the other way. 

[WSU]

I guess I fail to see why natives think they are special and therefore should get special priveledges.

They traded land for the rez and the right to hunt and fish.  Maybe we should all give our houses back to whatever tribe was in our local area and the tribes can give up their right to fish.  Would undoing the deal make you happier?  I am guessing it would only make you happier if you got to keep the half that benefits you but reneg on the half that doesn't.

Nope, your wrong. I think we should all have to live by the same rules. I am just really tired of this you took our land crap. Your comment about keeping only what benefits you and renegging on the rest actually could be applied the other way. 

How?

[TikkaT3-270Shortmag]

How does he know they werre coming to his calls?  Give us specifics.  Plus hes a gay 49ers fan, get over it!!

[gonehuntin68]

Aaahhhh...... yes how could I forget I'm a lazy roadhunting "indian".  Never ever ever have I been outhunting and calling and somebody else has harvested or attempted to harvest the animal I was calling in, nope, never happened.  Why don't you get further from the road because that's the only grioe I see?  Sure they had rifles but you not them made it easy by sitting near the road calling.  Actually, I recall reading a similar stoey last year and I don't remember that "hunter" getting flamed as bad......   We're all not the same..........

I hunt where the elk are.

[gonehuntin68]

I was trying to get the elk out of the canyons, I was off the roads. I have no problem with natives as people, just wish we had to follow the same rules.

[PlateauNDN]

So you were off road but close enough to the road for them to pullup shoot and load???  I know from experience if I don't want anybody, anybody, trying to harvest or claim my hardwork I get away from the roads as far as possible.  I know natives and hunters in general are everywhere in the areas I hunt so I go the extra mile to minimize contact.  I wouldve went into the canyons and got one rather than do all the work for someone else.  My opinion and methods. 

[PlateauNDN]

itll never change..just like selling um whole to migrant workers in wapato and toppenish for $50

Anybody from yakima or surrounding area know if this gentleman works at the valley gun and pawn shop?

[The100Road]

So you were off road but close enough to the road for them to pullup shoot and load???  I know from experience if I don't want anybody, anybody, trying to harvest or claim my hardwork I get away from the roads as far as possible.  I know natives and hunters in general are everywhere in the areas I hunt so I go the extra mile to minimize contact.  I wouldve went into the canyons and got one rather than do all the work for someone else.  My opinion and methods.

Why are you so concentrated on the road? i dont think he cares that they shot them from the road. its that they have the right to shoot them in general. its wrong.

[ribka]

Your ignorance of native  American hunting tradition and culture is  mind boggling!
Don't you know the long standing  tradition of Natives harvesting game while sitting on their horses (Toyota pick up trucks)?

Toyota Corp just released a special native  "funeral edition "  truck used to harvest special funeral bulls and large muley bucks in their winter.( The special empty beer cans accessory  in the truck bed are extra according to Toyota)  Even blonde haired blued eyed native card holders can drive it! Proceeds form the racks sold on eBay and craigslist go to help children in native schools learn about their hallowed hunting traditions.
 

Can hardly wait to dive behind a tree this year to avoid being shot  by the great traditional hunters who to bail out their horses and shoot towards me  while I am chasing a cow the  late season in in the Nile.

Other than type of weapon I don't see the problem it happens all the time.   get further from the road next time.

How come indians don't get off the road? Sounds pretty lazy to me...

Because that would actually be hunting and they dont want to break "tradition"

[The100Road]

You guys that claim the op was calling from the road, how do you know that? How do you know the guy wasn't way off the road and the native wasnt a really good long range shot?

Exactly. Im thinking he was on the far hillside and calling a bull up from the bottom. truck comes driving down the ridge and shoots the bull across the canyon from the road. anything like that could have happened. its just wrong that you even have to worry about that in archery season.

How is it wrong?  The tribal member was within his legal rights correct? Weather you or I or anyone else agrees with it we are here.

Its wrong because he was in is legal rights. thats the wrong part. anyone in there right mind would agree with that except tribal members.