Your welcome Nez Pierce.

[stuckalot]

I really don't want to get into the treaty rights aspect of this much, except to say that I do believe we need to co-manage our resources and I don't believe that it necessarily means that tribes need to give up any of their rights. We will not likely ever play completely by the same rules, but I think we have to find some common ground. Tribes can maintain their rights and at the same time choose to set some rules for their members that are more in common with the rest of the state. Two examples:

1. If the state and the tribes can agree that the Colockum herd needs more mature bulls and makes stupid rules like true spike only, then the tribes should limit themselves to true spikes or cows, they can still have all year to hunt but at least there is a move toward some equality and co-management.

2. This gets to my major gripe, when archery and muzzleloading seasons are in progress, I believe that the responsible thing for the tribes to do is to limit their members to like weapons during those times, it's pure and simple a safety issue. I don't care if its a bunch of inbred rednecks from Darrington, I don't want to be in the woods all camoed up within bow range of a herd of elk and have a bunch of yahoos banging away with rifles from the next ridge over!  I don't care if it is your right!

[PlateauNDN]

   that's reasonable in my opinion. That would be something to bring to the table for cedes area hunting.  I make every accomodation I can if I ahppen to be oit during a differwnt weapon season amd make everu effort to speak with guys I run into amd share my info firat so not to cross paths and help them out.  Its all about sportsmen ship amd I've helped out amd got help even when ididnt ask for it.  There are great guys out there and I lile to lookout for everybody that's good sportswhile I'm out there.   I've met a lotnof grwat guys out there and very few few that weren't but overall great. 

[Yak-NDN]

Your ignorance of native  American hunting tradition and culture is  mind boggling!
Don't you know the long standing  tradition of Natives harvesting game while sitting on their horses (Toyota pick up trucks)?

Toyota Corp just released a special native  "funeral edition "  truck used to harvest special funeral bulls and large muley bucks in their winter.( The special empty beer cans accessory  in the truck bed are extra according to Toyota)  Even blonde haired blued eyed native card holders can drive it! Proceeds form the racks sold on eBay and craigslist go to help children in native schools learn about their hallowed hunting traditions.
 

Can hardly wait to dive behind a tree this year to avoid being shot  by the great traditional hunters who to bail out their horses and shoot towards me  while I am chasing a cow the  late season in in the Nile.

Other than type of weapon I don't see the problem it happens all the time.   get further from the road next time.

How come indians don't get off the road? Sounds pretty lazy to me...

Because that would actually be hunting and they dont want to break "tradition"

I need one of these trucks. Im going to order mine today. I only order new rigs for hunting with air cooled cup holders to keep my beer cold do they offer that option.

[Labs07]

Wow!  There was some great sterotyping going on.  Im sorry but I just dont believe that it is ever okay to generalize the behavior of a whole sect of society.

[Yak-NDN]

Wow!  There was some great sterotyping going on.  Im sorry but I just dont believe that it is ever okay to generalize the behavior of a whole sect of society.

I would care if this crap goes on if it was allowed in non Tribal subjects. But its not people can't say the slightest thing about non Tribal issues and the the mods are all over it. But when its a Tribal issue the mods feed the fire.

[724wd]

Your ignorance of native  American hunting tradition and culture is  mind boggling!
Don't you know the long standing  tradition of Natives harvesting game while sitting on their horses (Toyota pick up trucks)?

Toyota Corp just released a special native  "funeral edition "  truck used to harvest special funeral bulls and large muley bucks in their winter.( The special empty beer cans accessory  in the truck bed are extra according to Toyota)  Even blonde haired blued eyed native card holders can drive it! Proceeds form the racks sold on eBay and craigslist go to help children in native schools learn about their hallowed hunting traditions.
 

Can hardly wait to dive behind a tree this year to avoid being shot  by the great traditional hunters who to bail out their horses and shoot towards me  while I am chasing a cow the  late season in in the Nile.

Other than type of weapon I don't see the problem it happens all the time.   get further from the road next time.

How come indians don't get off the road? Sounds pretty lazy to me...

Because that would actually be hunting and they dont want to break "tradition"

I need one of these trucks. Im going to order mine today. I only order new rigs for hunting with air cooled cup holders to keep my beer cold do they offer that option.

i know, right?!  there's some of us whiteys that could use them, too!   

[Special T]

Yak-NDN When you find a truck that has a beer cooler, or coffie warmer built in, let me know. This redneck wants one!

[pianoman9701]

Dont most people take advantage of thier opportunities?  If we could all shoot multiple animals and do,it from the road in winter, my guess is ALOT of people would. Be frusterated with the government for discriminating and for creating such lop-sided circumstances. I dont blame the indians for doing what they can. fishing or hunting. I feel government should stop with the different rules and different classes they create.

  x2. Indian bashing is easier than trying to change laws and treaties, though.

[Yak-NDN]

My truck has heated and ac seats I am sure heated and ac cup holders are soon to be?

[Special T]

Can't be too far off, I know some of my brother in laws John Deere tractors have AC piped into  a box to keep your soda/lunch cold.

[snowpack]

They have the heaters.  They plug into the joint lighter and fit in the bottom of the cup holder--mini hot plates.  Small coolers/fridges can be put where the console is and plug in or wire into the truck...only hold about a six pack at a time.  A guy I knew would just get a keg and put it in trashcan with ice in the bed; and he had a hole cut into the cabin so the hose from the tap came up to the front.  Only problem was every now and then the passenger would have to get out an pump the keg some more.   

[Northway]

I really don't want to get into the treaty rights aspect of this much, except to say that I do believe we need to co-manage our resources and I don't believe that it necessarily means that tribes need to give up any of their rights. We will not likely ever play completely by the same rules, but I think we have to find some common ground. Tribes can maintain their rights and at the same time choose to set some rules for their members that are more in common with the rest of the state. Two examples:

1. If the state and the tribes can agree that the Colockum herd needs more mature bulls and makes stupid rules like true spike only, then the tribes should limit themselves to true spikes or cows, they can still have all year to hunt but at least there is a move toward some equality and co-management.

2. This gets to my major gripe, when archery and muzzleloading seasons are in progress, I believe that the responsible thing for the tribes to do is to limit their members to like weapons during those times, it's pure and simple a safety issue. I don't care if its a bunch of inbred rednecks from Darrington, I don't want to be in the woods all camoed up within bow range of a herd of elk and have a bunch of yahoos banging away with rifles from the next ridge over!  I don't care if it is your right!

I think it's really nothing personal against first nation tribes.

Whenever you have groups of people with special rights and little or no oversight, there is a huge risk for abuse. In my mind, there is no question that there has been significant abuse of special hunting & fishing privileges. If there was a group of white people with the same special privileges and dysfunctional oversight, we would be having the same conversation.

[724wd]

A guy I knew would just get a keg and put it in trashcan with ice in the bed; and he had a hole cut into the cabin so the hose from the tap came up to the front.  Only problem was every now and then the passenger would have to get out an pump the keg some more.   

sounds foamy!   

[PlateauNDN]

A guy I knew would just get a keg and put it in trashcan with ice in the bed; and he had a hole cut into the cabin so the hose from the tap came up to the front.  Only problem was every now and then the passenger would have to get out an pump the keg some more.   

sounds foamy!   

   didn't even think of that back in the day!   was this submitted in the redneck inventionthread or what ever its called?

[Special T]

I really don't want to get into the treaty rights aspect of this much, except to say that I do believe we need to co-manage our resources and I don't believe that it necessarily means that tribes need to give up any of their rights. We will not likely ever play completely by the same rules, but I think we have to find some common ground. Tribes can maintain their rights and at the same time choose to set some rules for their members that are more in common with the rest of the state. Two examples:

1. If the state and the tribes can agree that the Colockum herd needs more mature bulls and makes stupid rules like true spike only, then the tribes should limit themselves to true spikes or cows, they can still have all year to hunt but at least there is a move toward some equality and co-management.

2. This gets to my major gripe, when archery and muzzleloading seasons are in progress, I believe that the responsible thing for the tribes to do is to limit their members to like weapons during those times, it's pure and simple a safety issue. I don't care if its a bunch of inbred rednecks from Darrington, I don't want to be in the woods all camoed up within bow range of a herd of elk and have a bunch of yahoos banging away with rifles from the next ridge over!  I don't care if it is your right!

I think it's really nothing personal against first nation tribes.

Whenever you have groups of people with special rights and little or no oversight, there is a huge risk for abuse. In my mind, there is no question that there has been significant abuse of special hunting & fishing privileges. If there was a group of white people with the same special privileges and dysfunctional oversight, we would be having the same conversation.

From your moniker and your use of "First Nations" I'm guessing your a Canadain trans plant? Am I right?