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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2013, 09:09:56 PM »
Welcome ucwarden and congrats on your retirement. One thing I have heard from more than one WDFW employee is that they have XX number of years and are close to retiring and won't say anything against the State to make waves. Do you have this same type of outlook even though you are retired?
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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2013, 09:12:58 PM »
I guess you guys/gals see these user names and avatar's as "people" so you get bent by my comment.
I view them as opinions without a face, typing stuff on the internet.  So ya I do value some opinions moreso than others;  I'll listen to a professional in the field over an armchair opinion each and every time. If I owned this site I'd do what I could to retain those professionals in the fold - unless they were dinks and couldn't adhere to the forum rules.


RT illustrates my point by calling out ucwarden, calling him what amounts to a bad warden "one of them" even though he had no clue who he was and never even had contact with this warden.  He goes on to admit he's carried loaded weapon on his ATV and somehow had a bad contact for that?  Please!   What did he expect?  A finger wagging and warning - "ok now RT don't do that again now  :nono: "

Some of you folks on here would slash RT's atv tires, shoot the engine, burn it, and hang RT naked upside down with his head in an anthill then spray honey on his body for *gasp* riding an ATV - let alone with a loaded weapon on it  :yike:






The very fact that ucwarden choose his usercp "warden" speaks volumes, and to top it off he's here to help change the system, make things better and help usher in common sense policing with officer descretion.  He's clearly against volume over quality policing yet some of you can't hear or understand his words because you're so full of vitrol.


No, I dont hide the fact im human. I made mistakes. I also paid for them. Let me say this again! No warden can take you to jail for having a loaded firearm on a quad! Thats what the warden told me! He flipped when I said uh no sir you cannot take me to jail for that!!!!  He was pulling the BS card and I trumped him!!

Try hanging me from a tree!!! 

Fact is their are bad guys out there! I speak my mind!! Many people feel the same as me but dont have the balls to voice it. Dont like it? Thats fine read on..

But dont tell me to be nice to cops, or that their word is better than mine! Ever!!

Wasn't there when you had your experience with the ATV thing, I'll take your word for it though.

I'd never hang you from a tree, besides I love ATV's  :chuckle:

I hope you speak your mind, if you do it in a respectful way you'll get a lot further though  :tup:

Never said to be "nice" to cops, I would advise against being other than respectful as can always go worse.

I will take a wardens word over your's any day of the week though, unless it's in the BBQ section 


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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2013, 09:22:41 PM »
Always good to have some knowledge on this site, Welcome.
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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2013, 09:24:01 PM »
I wonder how many other wardens are on here? The county I live in has a couple of real good men patrolling the woods. I'd hunt with either one of them in a second.
 I have to share a quick story. Last weekend I was fishing Fort Casey with a buddy and our two sons. At one point I got hot and hooked 6 or 7 fish in a short amount of time. I only landed three but lost the others right at the beach. After landing one of the fish and being caught up in the moment I forgot to mark it down. A couple casts later I remembered and marked it. The fishing slowed down and since the boys had stopped I had them grab the cooler and take it up the hill to the truck while we made a couple of more casts. Well after getting into the truck and putting it in reverse another fisherman hurried over and tapped my window with his wallet. Getting my attention he then flipped it open to reveal his badge! He asked to see our licenses and fish. We stepped out and showed him everything. Looking back I think he may have thought we were trying to be sneaky sending the boys back before us. He was very polite and respectful the whole time. He mentioned that I needed to mark the fish immediately which I sheepishly agreed. He also gave me some advise. Don't wear a white hat while fishing. It's too easy for him to keep track of me.  :chuckle: Great dude and my day was better having the interaction. Wish I would have remembered to ask his name.

Was he young, thin and 6'4" + or older, stocky and mostly bald?
I'm going to say he was 5'9" medium build and 50ish. Maybe your second description.

OK, I know exactly who you are talking about....good guy and good officer.  I will pass on your story to him

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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2013, 09:26:32 PM »
Welcome to the forum ucwarden :hello:

Glad to have you here and appreciate your candor. :tup:

You are welcome.  Trust me, when I was working in WDFW I spoke to them with the same candor, and they did not appreciate it.
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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2013, 09:32:59 PM »
I guess you guys/gals see these user names and avatar's as "people" so you get bent by my comment.
I view them as opinions without a face, typing stuff on the internet.  So ya I do value some opinions moreso than others;  I'll listen to a professional in the field over an armchair opinion each and every time. If I owned this site I'd do what I could to retain those professionals in the fold - unless they were dinks and couldn't adhere to the forum rules.


RT illustrates my point by calling out ucwarden, calling him what amounts to a bad warden "one of them" even though he had no clue who he was and never even had contact with this warden.  He goes on to admit he's carried loaded weapon on his ATV and somehow had a bad contact for that?  Please!   What did he expect?  A finger wagging and warning - "ok now RT don't do that again now  :nono: "

Some of you folks on here would slash RT's atv tires, shoot the engine, burn it, and hang RT naked upside down with his head in an anthill then spray honey on his body for *gasp* riding an ATV - let alone with a loaded weapon on it  :yike:






The very fact that ucwarden choose his usercp "warden" speaks volumes, and to top it off he's here to help change the system, make things better and help usher in common sense policing with officer descretion.  He's clearly against volume over quality policing yet some of you can't hear or understand his words because you're so full of vitrol.


No, I dont hide the fact im human. I made mistakes. I also paid for them. Let me say this again! No warden can take you to jail for having a loaded firearm on a quad! Thats what the warden told me! He flipped when I said uh no sir you cannot take me to jail for that!!!!  He was pulling the BS card and I trumped him!!

Try hanging me from a tree!!! 

Fact is their are bad guys out there! I speak my mind!! Many people feel the same as me but dont have the balls to voice it. Dont like it? Thats fine read on..

But dont tell me to be nice to cops, or that their word is better than mine! Ever!!

Wasn't there when you had your experience with the ATV thing, I'll take your word for it though.

I'd never hang you from a tree, besides I love ATV's  :chuckle:

I hope you speak your mind, if you do it in a respectful way you'll get a lot further though  :tup:

Never said to be "nice" to cops, I would advise against being other than respectful as can always go worse.

I will take a wardens word over your's any day of the week though, unless it's in the BBQ section

Thats great to know. Im a 20 year military vet! But i guess a guy with a badge means more!!  Hmmm i fought for you to be free ??? Damn...   Cause you know us military guys lie alot...  Like I said all along for two years! Until they take you to court your opinion will stay the same. Enter their court you will have a whole new perspective on what they really stand for!!!  Im done with this
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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2013, 09:44:21 PM »
I guess you guys/gals see these user names and avatar's as "people" so you get bent by my comment.
I view them as opinions without a face, typing stuff on the internet.  So ya I do value some opinions moreso than others;  I'll listen to a professional in the field over an armchair opinion each and every time. If I owned this site I'd do what I could to retain those professionals in the fold - unless they were dinks and couldn't adhere to the forum rules.


RT illustrates my point by calling out ucwarden, calling him what amounts to a bad warden "one of them" even though he had no clue who he was and never even had contact with this warden.  He goes on to admit he's carried loaded weapon on his ATV and somehow had a bad contact for that?  Please!   What did he expect?  A finger wagging and warning - "ok now RT don't do that again now  :nono: "

Some of you folks on here would slash RT's atv tires, shoot the engine, burn it, and hang RT naked upside down with his head in an anthill then spray honey on his body for *gasp* riding an ATV - let alone with a loaded weapon on it  :yike:






The very fact that ucwarden choose his usercp "warden" speaks volumes, and to top it off he's here to help change the system, make things better and help usher in common sense policing with officer descretion.  He's clearly against volume over quality policing yet some of you can't hear or understand his words because you're so full of vitrol.


No, I dont hide the fact im human. I made mistakes. I also paid for them. Let me say this again! No warden can take you to jail for having a loaded firearm on a quad! Thats what the warden told me! He flipped when I said uh no sir you cannot take me to jail for that!!!!  He was pulling the BS card and I trumped him!!

Try hanging me from a tree!!! 

Fact is their are bad guys out there! I speak my mind!! Many people feel the same as me but dont have the balls to voice it. Dont like it? Thats fine read on..

But dont tell me to be nice to cops, or that their word is better than mine! Ever!!

Wasn't there when you had your experience with the ATV thing, I'll take your word for it though.

I'd never hang you from a tree, besides I love ATV's  :chuckle:

I hope you speak your mind, if you do it in a respectful way you'll get a lot further though  :tup:

Never said to be "nice" to cops, I would advise against being other than respectful as can always go worse.

I will take a wardens word over your's any day of the week though, unless it's in the BBQ section

Thats great to know. Im a 20 year military vet! But i guess a guy with a badge means more!!  Hmmm i fought for you to be free ??? Damn...   Cause you know us military guys lie alot...  Like I said all along for two years! Until they take you to court your opinion will stay the same. Enter their court you will have a whole new perspective on what they really stand for!!!  Im done with this

Thank you for your service RT  :tup:

In response to your "military vs guy with a badge":  If your MOS was "Wildlife Protection" then I'd give your opinion more weight in this section of the forum.

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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2013, 09:48:50 PM »
I guess you guys/gals see these user names and avatar's as "people" so you get bent by my comment.
I view them as opinions without a face, typing stuff on the internet.  So ya I do value some opinions moreso than others;  I'll listen to a professional in the field over an armchair opinion each and every time. If I owned this site I'd do what I could to retain those professionals in the fold - unless they were dinks and couldn't adhere to the forum rules.


RT illustrates my point by calling out ucwarden, calling him what amounts to a bad warden "one of them" even though he had no clue who he was and never even had contact with this warden.  He goes on to admit he's carried loaded weapon on his ATV and somehow had a bad contact for that?  Please!   What did he expect?  A finger wagging and warning - "ok now RT don't do that again now  :nono: "

Some of you folks on here would slash RT's atv tires, shoot the engine, burn it, and hang RT naked upside down with his head in an anthill then spray honey on his body for *gasp* riding an ATV - let alone with a loaded weapon on it  :yike:






The very fact that ucwarden choose his usercp "warden" speaks volumes, and to top it off he's here to help change the system, make things better and help usher in common sense policing with officer descretion.  He's clearly against volume over quality policing yet some of you can't hear or understand his words because you're so full of vitrol.


No, I dont hide the fact im human. I made mistakes. I also paid for them. Let me say this again! No warden can take you to jail for having a loaded firearm on a quad! Thats what the warden told me! He flipped when I said uh no sir you cannot take me to jail for that!!!!  He was pulling the BS card and I trumped him!!

Try hanging me from a tree!!!

Fact is their are bad guys out there! I speak my mind!! Many people feel the same as me but dont have the balls to voice it. Dont like it? Thats fine read on..

But dont tell me to be nice to cops, or that their word is better than mine! Ever!!

Actually RT, a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle is a criminal misdemeanor, and as such is an arrestable offense.
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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2013, 09:59:07 PM »
Alot of those "Guys with badges" thats some find so untrustworthy are prior military. So hows that fit in to the Military vs Guys with badges?

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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2013, 10:00:51 PM »
Im a 20 year military vet! But i guess a guy with a badge means more!!  Hmmm i fought for you to be free ??? Damn...   Cause you know us military guys lie alot...  Like I said all along for two years!

No one said a badge means more.  I've had to arrest a fair number of military folks over the years, and to be honest I've found they tend to lie just as much as anyone else.
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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #85 on: September 19, 2013, 10:02:57 PM »
Alot of those "Guys with badges" thats some find so untrustworthy are prior military. So hows that fit in to the Military vs Guys with badges?

You were typing as I was.  Yes, a very large percentage of new hire LEOs right now are coming out of the military.  As I said, it doesn't matter two craps what profession you are, there are bad apples in every bunch.  My profession included.
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« Reply #86 on: September 19, 2013, 10:11:57 PM »
 That was kinda my point as well JLS. 

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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #87 on: September 19, 2013, 10:13:12 PM »
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« Reply #88 on: September 19, 2013, 10:52:35 PM »

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  Instead of fighting among each other, I propose we form up all these members (numbers can get things done, which individuals can’t), and start trying to change some of the things you all feel are most important.
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 :yeah: I like ucwarden's ideas...we all (occasionally?) complain about various rules and laws we don't like...but ultimately do little or nothing to change/improve them.  Maybe we can put together a "hit list" of rules or laws that make no sense and need changed??  An immediate pitfall could be some controversial issues (like baiting) that just divide folks...but if we leave that type of stuff alone and try to focus on the rules/laws that have near unanimous opposition by members???  I suspect this forum could be a very powerful voice with a little organized effort :dunno:

Anyways, ucwarden, you have my support in some type of effort like this...I would be happy to help.
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Re: WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful
« Reply #89 on: September 19, 2013, 10:58:46 PM »
Over the last few years, we've had a couple of people from the DFW join our forum; several from LE. While it's easy to take out your frustrations regarding the issues we have with the DFW on its employees, it comes as a good reminder that we're a hunting site and the opinions and experience of LE will help us to stay within the law and afford us some perspective from the men and women in the field who enforce our game laws and preserve and protect our resources. ucwarden, Outdoorguardian, and bigtex, thank you for what you bring to our table. We value your input and hope to continue to glean valuable insight from your experience. Please let the moderators know if, while in the performance of that service to us, you need us to remind members of your contribution to the forum.
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