WDFW LE Great Resource for HuntWA - Please Be Respectful

[Wacenturion]

"My complaints with WDFW are many.  They should be the experts.  They have been infiltrated by a bunch of no common sense, greenie freaks that spend most of their time in an office on the west side.  The true people on the ground that make a difference are few.  Many of those guys are pretty sharp and if asked one on one, can give you some real insight."

Gringo....let me inject something into the discussion regarding your comment.  There are lots of good folks working hard for wildlife and the public at WDFW.  Unfortunately the ones who are too busy trying to make a positive difference usually are not the type to play the political game.  Therefore many in Olympia and to some extent those in Regional offices are all about control and their own agendas.  That's where some of the idiotic policy decisions come from.  They tend to have opinions on issues they have no workable knowledge of, but insert themselves into the decision making because they have some vague idea something may impact them somehow.  Again...want a piece of the pie.

Let me sum it up this way.  I have always said their are generally two types of state employee (in the case of WDFW).  Those who have the public interest in mind and those that have self interest in mind.  The public's don't have any time to play games.  The self's have generally spent their careers climbing the ladder as evidenced by a lack of production other than acting like they know something in meetings and agreeing with some other nitwit.  They therefore greatly influence policy, many times in a non scientific personal opinion way.

In addition there is an old dog breeding saying that goes.

"like begets like",

which means, when you breed close (similar relatives) you get similar traits, good and bad.  Well you can apply that somewhat in that those in positions to hire generally hire similar viewpoints.  Also those that like control but don't have a clue as to how to implement anything tend to hire people that don't question...perhaps even in their minds not as smart as they are.

Many years ago, a steelhead hatchery manager who wasn't working, was usually found on the river fishing.  Deer, waterfowl, upland bird managers were die hard hunters.  Not today....sorry but that's part of the problem.  WDFW got infected way back in the 80's with a same dose of political wildlife correctness.  That of course spread.  I rest my case.

[Wacenturion]

i might add....ucwarden was one of the public interest guys.

[ucwarden]

i might add....ucwarden was one of the public interest guys.

Thanks.  You can see how far that got me.
I often reflect back on my career, and wished that I had "picked my battles" rather than fighting every little thing I saw wrong.  Once you fight admin a few times, you are just a trouble maker, and you lose all chance of getting things changed.

[Wacenturion]

Me too.  I always remember something someone said to me years ago in a moment of my obvious frustration....

"you know, the pioneers are the ones with the arrows in their ass"

Always remembered that from that day forward whenever I got frustrated with the morons.  Like filling up the tank with gas.

[Wacenturion]

i might add....ucwarden was one of the public interest guys.

Thanks.  You can see how far that got me.
I often reflect back on my career, and wished that I had "picked my battles" rather than fighting every little thing I saw wrong.  Once you fight admin a few times, you are just a trouble maker, and you lose all chance of getting things changed.

You can be quite proud of what you accomplished.  You'll probably never know just how those little battles had an overtall positive effect.  I know when you moved to Dayton, your reputation preceeded you and staff there was elated to have you as a co-worker.  Says a lot.

[Special T]

i might add....ucwarden was one of the public interest guys.

Thanks.  You can see how far that got me.
I often reflect back on my career, and wished that I had "picked my battles" rather than fighting every little thing I saw wrong.  Once you fight admin a few times, you are just a trouble maker, and you lose all chance of getting things changed.

Now you get to help organise a bunch of us with your knowledge of how the system works so our efforts are not wasted.  As you said earlier... Some times all you need is the pressure of the feather so why use the sledgehammer.

[scout/sniper]

Now you get to help organise a bunch of us with your knowledge of how the system works so our efforts are not wasted.  As you said earlier... Some times all you need is the pressure of the feather so why use the sledgehammer.

I don't disagree, but I believe many people think the feather has been used too much with no results.
Sometimes, and I mean "sometimes", extreme violence of action is needed to take the fight to the enemy in a way that makes them step back and reconsider their options.
Actually not purchasing WDFW products, licenses, tags etc. is just that kind of action.

The same goes for WEYCO and their access pass BS!

[fishseeker]

We as Outdoors Men and Women need to do a better Job of getting the word out and educating the young about what we do. The schools teach tree hugging to the extreme. We need to let them see the otherside. Close The Evergeen State College. Home of Econutz. You young bucks need to take the lead now while you can before its to late. Wish I had shared with the youngsters more than I did and I ain't done yet as long as I am still not taking a DIRT NAP!

[Special T]

Now you get to help organise a bunch of us with your knowledge of how the system works so our efforts are not wasted.  As you said earlier... Some times all you need is the pressure of the feather so why use the sledgehammer.

I don't disagree, but I believe many people think the feather has been used too much with no results.
Sometimes, and I mean "sometimes", extreme violence of action is needed to take the fight to the enemy in a way that makes them step back and reconsider their options.
Actually not purchasing WDFW products, licenses, tags etc. is just that kind of action.

The same goes for WEYCO and their access pass BS!

Correct, however WHERE you decide to put the pressure is just as important  as how much pressure to apply.

[JLS]

Now you get to help organise a bunch of us with your knowledge of how the system works so our efforts are not wasted.  As you said earlier... Some times all you need is the pressure of the feather so why use the sledgehammer.

I don't disagree, but I believe many people think the feather has been used too much with no results.
Sometimes, and I mean "sometimes", extreme violence of action is needed to take the fight to the enemy in a way that makes them step back and reconsider their options.
Actually not purchasing WDFW products, licenses, tags etc. is just that kind of action.

The same goes for WEYCO and their access pass BS!

Correct, however WHERE you decide to put the pressure is just as important  as how much pressure to apply.

And WHEN.  The reason RMEF is successful is the focus on their mission statement and don't get sucked into ancillary battles like weapon types, etc.  They focus on elk and elk habitat period.

Figure out your priorities, and stick with them.

[huntnphool]

Can I be the spokesperson for our group?

Um......  

[BOWHUNTER45]

Holy sheet batman ...I do not think I have read a whole thread in my life  What I think needs to be done is all Wildlife Agencies  need to be control by the agency ...They are the wildlife experts and they should be running the whole show across the board ...we all know hunting has been around since man popped up on the earth ...we all know animals need to be managed and the only proper way to do so is hunting ...these idiots who are against hunting need to know one major factor ...If regulated hunting ever came to an end that they thought they had a poaching problem now.... I would sure hate to see the out come of that one 

[KFhunter]

Holy sheet batman ...I do not think I have read a whole thread in my life  What I think needs to be done is all Wildlife Agencies  need to be control by the agency ...They are the wildlife experts and they should be running the whole show across the board ...we all know hunting has been around since man popped up on the earth ...we all know animals need to be managed and the only proper way to do so is hunting ...these idiots who are against hunting need to know one major factor ...If regulated hunting ever came to an end that they thought they had a poaching problem now.... I would sure hate to see the out come of that one 

All the Kings deer.......

[Knocker of rocks]

Close The Evergeen State College

Good luck with that.

[buckfvr]

I think a starting point would be a reclassification of our predatory animals back into an appropriate category, say like Predators ?

Then, management could start in earnest........