Firstlight, I was trying to figure out who Larry was and just put 2 & 2 together. I used to hunt back there alot coming off the road to the South. I took a few bucks out of there over the years but nothing the size of what was taken in there this year with Larry's, my buddies and maybe a big typical 4 x 4??? He just weighed that buck without the hide and guts and the carcass weighed 185#'s. Said the hide weighed another 60#'s. That's 245#'s less the guts. That is a huge deer be it Muley or Northern Whitetail, let alone blacktail