Since Wolves

[wolfbait]

For several years now the Methow Valley has had deer living in towns, something that never occurred before wolves were released. This year shows a new low in the deer population, something WDFW deny of course.

Land that has always supported deer through the summer is now void of deer. I talk to a guy a few days ago who has owned 200 acres up the Twisp river for 52 years he said this year is the first year that there are zero deer on his land.
 
From another land owner in the Methow Valley:
These are 5 of the 11 Twisp town bucks hanging together all summer . They come through my yard about once a week of which I adjoin the town.  I have not seen a single doe all summer on my 980 acres, only this group of bucks living in town.  This is also the first year since 1990 I have not had any bear come onto the place and clean off the choke cherries and apples.   It was only 6 yrs ago I had as many as 60 does eating out of my alfalfa field all at the same time.  Now I have none.  I do have two trail cameras set on some game trails.  I did get one buck picture a couple coyote pictures and several wolf pictures.   I do believe something has severely affected the deer population.

Had some trouble posting picture, the link below shows bucks 


http://s22.postimg.org/42a31s3ch/Town_Bucks.jpg]

[buckfvr]

The worst thing about it is the ongoing lie WDFW is living and spreading.  Every last one of them needs muckin out.

[Birdguy]

Just really sad...

[wolfbait]

Just really sad...

And just think Birdguy there are a few of us who have had a front row seat, we watch as WDFW's wolves decimate the deer herds and WDFW run to the local news paper claiming just the opposite. It has been heartbreaking for some, for others there is a cold resolve.

[WAcoyotehunter]

For several years now the Methow Valley has had deer living in towns, something that never occurred before wolves were released.

http://s22.postimg.org/42a31s3ch/Town_Bucks.jpg]

Wolves were not released.

[et1702]

Had the elk disappear from my trail cameras twice this year.   Once for 2.5 weeks this summer, and again starting two days before the archery elk season.  Hunted Rim Rock unit for years and never had this happen previously.  FYI, one of my cameras had over 1300 pics of elk in week before season opener, and then two days before season started it went completely blank for entire season.  Even after the heavy rainstorm we had up there, no elk tracks what so ever! 

While we were out hunting, one guy had six wolves come under his tree stand; two adults (one of them collared) and four juvenile wolves. 

Damn things are expanding everywhere!

ET

[idahohuntr]

For several years now the Methow Valley has had deer living in towns, something that never occurred before wolves were released.

http://s22.postimg.org/42a31s3ch/Town_Bucks.jpg]

Wolves were not released.

  No wolves have been released in Washington State.  They have migrated from other areas (including Idaho) where wolves were released.

[AspenBud]

For several years now the Methow Valley has had deer living in towns, something that never occurred before wolves were released.

This is a fascinating statement. Mostly because I've seen deer live in and around west side towns for decades. Heck, Longview even has elk wandering through their country club occasionally.

[KFhunter]

For several years now the Methow Valley has had deer living in towns, something that never occurred before wolves were released.

http://s22.postimg.org/42a31s3ch/Town_Bucks.jpg]

Wolves were not released.

  No wolves have been released in Washington State.  They have migrated from other areas (including Idaho) where wolves were released.

false

There have been plenty released in WA - no one can prove (or disprove) if WDFW had a hand in it or not but "locals" have released wolfs.
WDFW at the minimum turned a blind eye or at least failed to investigate it, in my mind that makes them derelict or even culpable.

Since it's illegal to have true "wolf" they label them hybrid wolf dogs - same thing they run and kill stuff in packs.

15-20 years ago you could hear these things howling from their pens hidden up in the mountains, then they'd be turned loose and promptly gunned down by neighbors but they didn't get them all.

Most of our current population is migrated, but honestly I haven't pushed this or argued much about it because WHO CARES how they got here, in the words of Hillary "what does it matter now?"

[buckfvr]

Only thing that matters is, a slight amount of justice could be served by getting a bunch of those responsible for all the deceit thrown in the stocks to rott for their deed,   

[idahohuntr]

Correct, regardless of how they got here wolves are here and they aren't going away any time soon. 

But I am tired of all of these garbage conspiracies because it undermines the credibility of sportsmen who want to work to minimize effects of wolves on ungulate populations. 

Let me get this straight though, you are alleging with no real proof  that groups of people raised and released wolves in the mountains of washington? but the locals shot most of them as soon as they were released? and maybe wdfw supported this or at least knew about it and did nothing?  And this unidentified group got away with it by calling them hybrids? This kind of stupid bull s#!& is not helpful in addressing wolf problems.  Have a few pets gone stray and killed deer or other game?  Yes.  Was there some grand wolf raising/release conspiracy...give me a break.
 

[pianoman9701]

Correct, regardless of how they got here wolves are here and they aren't going away any time soon. 

But I am tired of all of these garbage conspiracies because it undermines the credibility of sportsmen who want to work to minimize effects of wolves on ungulate populations. 
Let me get this straight though, you are alleging with no real proof  that groups of people raised and released wolves in the mountains of washington? but the locals shot most of them as soon as they were released? and maybe wdfw supported this or at least knew about it and did nothing?  And this unidentified group got away with it by calling them hybrids? This kind of stupid bull s#!& is not helpful in addressing wolf problems.  Have a few pets gone stray and killed deer or other game?  Yes.  Was there some grand wolf raising/release conspiracy...give me a break.

  Just makes those of us who oppose the wolf plan sound nuts. My 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Correct, regardless of how they got here wolves are here and they aren't going away any time soon. 

But I am tired of all of these garbage conspiracies because it undermines the credibility of sportsmen who want to work to minimize effects of wolves on ungulate populations. 

Let me get this straight though, you are alleging with no real proof  that groups of people raised and released wolves in the mountains of washington? but the locals shot most of them as soon as they were released? and maybe wdfw supported this or at least knew about it and did nothing?  And this unidentified group got away with it by calling them hybrids? This kind of stupid bull s#!& is not helpful in addressing wolf problems.  Have a few pets gone stray and killed deer or other game?  Yes.  Was there some grand wolf raising/release conspiracy...give me a break.
 

LOL... yep.

[AspenBud]

Correct, regardless of how they got here wolves are here and they aren't going away any time soon. 

But I am tired of all of these garbage conspiracies because it undermines the credibility of sportsmen who want to work to minimize effects of wolves on ungulate populations. 
Let me get this straight though, you are alleging with no real proof  that groups of people raised and released wolves in the mountains of washington? but the locals shot most of them as soon as they were released? and maybe wdfw supported this or at least knew about it and did nothing?  And this unidentified group got away with it by calling them hybrids? This kind of stupid bull s#!& is not helpful in addressing wolf problems.  Have a few pets gone stray and killed deer or other game?  Yes.  Was there some grand wolf raising/release conspiracy...give me a break.

  Just makes those of us who oppose the wolf plan sound nuts. My 

 

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/calling-bs-on-a-wolf-story/

[pianoman9701]

And really? It doesn't matter. They're here and they're ruining our state's resources. If the wolf lovers say they weren't planted, agree. It doesn't matter. Go on from there.