Since Wolves

[wolfbait]

And really? It doesn't matter. They're here and they're ruining our state's resources. If the wolf lovers say they weren't planted, agree. It doesn't matter. Go on from there.

I agree, the truth is going to come out in the end as it always does.

Now what do we do about an out of control wolf population in WA? WDFW refuse to confirm known wolf packs, they refuse to confirm wolf killed livestock and they refuse to acknowledge the impact wolves are having on the game herds.

WDFW are following the USFWS Illegal Wolf Introduction Rules

Existence of Many Wolves Ignored

Bangs also explained that it was too difficult to locate individual wolves or small groups of wolves that were not packs and emphasized that the existence of these wolves was not important to recovery. Once the transplanted wolves began pairing and successfully raising young, the Nez Perce and FWS recovery teams declined to investigate sightings of individual wolves or groups of wolves unless they involved livestock killing.
But even then, if the livestock was moved to a different location and/or the wolf predation stopped, any investigation abruptly ceased. In some parts of Idaho where wolf populations are excessive, including the county we live in, local citizens report frustration over the Wolf Teams’ refusal to investigate reports of apparent pack activity unless there is evidence of at least two pups.
The excuse used by the FWS/NezPerce Team for its failure to investigate such activity is that it is too expensive but it also is not interested in recording wolves unless they meet the confirmed wolf criteria agreed upon by Bangs, Ted Koch and Steve Fritts in 1994. The exception is the need to radio-collar one or more wolves to facilitate removal of one or more members of a pack that continues to kill livestock.  http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

[KFhunter]

Correct, regardless of how they got here wolves are here and they aren't going away any time soon. 

But I am tired of all of these garbage conspiracies because it undermines the credibility of sportsmen who want to work to minimize effects of wolves on ungulate populations. 

Let me get this straight though, you are alleging with no real proof  that groups of people raised and released wolves in the mountains of washington? but the locals shot most of them as soon as they were released? and maybe wdfw supported this or at least knew about it and did nothing?  And this unidentified group got away with it by calling them hybrids? This kind of stupid bull s#!& is not helpful in addressing wolf problems.  Have a few pets gone stray and killed deer or other game?  Yes.  Was there some grand wolf raising/release conspiracy...give me a break.

I could walk you right to the old kennels, wear your bullet proof vest though because it's buried deep in no mans land behind locked gates. 
Last time I was in there I had a gun pointed at me.

[idahohuntr]

I just don't think all of the rhetoric really helps our cause is my main point.  The liberal politicians in washington make it difficult for WDFW to manage wolves like most of us would prefer...but WDFW is not the enemy.  The eco-groups and their complaining to liberal legislators and governor are what is preventing more desirable wolf management.  If folks want to turn up the heat...focus it on all the deception and lies from groups like Defenders of Wildlife...write and call the wolf loving legislators and governor and governor appointed commissioners and tell them how unhappy you are with wolf management and that you vote!  That will be more effective than accusing wdfw of various conspiracies and getting other hunters spun up on such stories. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I could walk you right to the old kennels, wear your bullet proof vest though because it's buried deep in no mans land behind locked gates. 
Last time I was in there I had a gun pointed at me.

Behind locked gates? So you were trespassing?

[KFhunter]

I just don't think all of the rhetoric really helps our cause is my main point.  The liberal politicians in washington make it difficult for WDFW to manage wolves like most of us would prefer...but WDFW is not the enemy.  The eco-groups and their complaining to liberal legislators and governor are what is preventing more desirable wolf management.  If folks want to turn up the heat...focus it on all the deception and lies from groups like Defenders of Wildlife...write and call the wolf loving legislators and governor and governor appointed commissioners and tell them how unhappy you are with wolf management and that you vote!  That will be more effective than accusing wdfw of various conspiracies and getting other hunters spun up on such stories.

agree'd - as I stated in my previous post but you took exception to it anyways, akin to calling me a liar.



sitka now your just irritating me

[wolfbait]

I just don't think all of the rhetoric really helps our cause is my main point.  The liberal politicians in washington make it difficult for WDFW to manage wolves like most of us would prefer...but WDFW is not the enemy.  The eco-groups and their complaining to liberal legislators and governor are what is preventing more desirable wolf management.  If folks want to turn up the heat...focus it on all the deception and lies from groups like Defenders of Wildlife...write and call the wolf loving legislators and governor and governor appointed commissioners and tell them how unhappy you are with wolf management and that you vote!  That will be more effective than accusing wdfw of various conspiracies and getting other hunters spun up on such stories.

"WDFW is not the enemy"

Really? What part of WDFW do you work for? Do you know how many wolf packs WDFW confirmed before the wolves started killing cows? Do you believe there is one wolf pack in the Methow Valley as WDFW would have you believe? WDFW are just another finger of the USFWS, run by environmentalists. Do your home work!

[KFhunter]

I just don't think all of the rhetoric really helps our cause is my main point.  The liberal politicians in washington make it difficult for WDFW to manage wolves like most of us would prefer...but WDFW is not the enemy.  The eco-groups and their complaining to liberal legislators and governor are what is preventing more desirable wolf management.  If folks want to turn up the heat...focus it on all the deception and lies from groups like Defenders of Wildlife...write and call the wolf loving legislators and governor and governor appointed commissioners and tell them how unhappy you are with wolf management and that you vote!  That will be more effective than accusing wdfw of various conspiracies and getting other hunters spun up on such stories.

"WDFW is not the enemy"

Really? What part of WDFW do you work for? Do you know how many wolf packs WDFW confirmed before the wolves started killing cows? Do you believe there is one wolf pack in the Methow Valley as WDFW would have you believe? WDFW are just another finger of the USFWS, run by environmentalists. Do your home work!

"WDFW is not the enemy"  ROFL


Shana Winegeart, the L.T. Murray Wildlife Area manager for the state Department of Fish and Wildlife




NOPE - no wolf hugger here   

[CAMPMEAT]

I could walk you right to the old kennels, wear your bullet proof vest though because it's buried deep in no mans land behind locked gates. 
Last time I was in there I had a gun pointed at me.

Behind locked gates? So you were trespassing?

Behind locked gates doesn't mean you're trespassing as confirmed by all the righteous hunters on this site. 

[wadu1]

I just don't think all of the rhetoric really helps our cause is my main point.  The liberal politicians in washington make it difficult for WDFW to manage wolves like most of us would prefer...but WDFW is not the enemy.  The eco-groups and their complaining to liberal legislators and governor are what is preventing more desirable wolf management.  If folks want to turn up the heat...focus it on all the deception and lies from groups like Defenders of Wildlife...write and call the wolf loving legislators and governor and governor appointed commissioners and tell them how unhappy you are with wolf management and that you vote!  That will be more effective than accusing wdfw of various conspiracies and getting other hunters spun up on such stories.

"WDFW is not the enemy"

Really? What part of WDFW do you work for? Do you know how many wolf packs WDFW confirmed before the wolves started killing cows? Do you believe there is one wolf pack in the Methow Valley as WDFW would have you believe? WDFW are just another finger of the USFWS, run by environmentalists. Do your home work!

"WDFW is not the enemy"  ROFL


Shana Winegeart, the L.T. Murray Wildlife Area manager for the state Department of Fish and Wildlife
I don't think it's the WDFW at the management level it's at the senior management level bring forced by liberals at the capitol. 



NOPE - no wolf hugger here   

[KFhunter]

I just had to laugh at the poster in the background.

No it doesn't prove she's a wolf hugger, but you'd have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

[idahohuntr]

I just don't think all of the rhetoric really helps our cause is my main point.  The liberal politicians in washington make it difficult for WDFW to manage wolves like most of us would prefer...but WDFW is not the enemy.  The eco-groups and their complaining to liberal legislators and governor are what is preventing more desirable wolf management.  If folks want to turn up the heat...focus it on all the deception and lies from groups like Defenders of Wildlife...write and call the wolf loving legislators and governor and governor appointed commissioners and tell them how unhappy you are with wolf management and that you vote!  That will be more effective than accusing wdfw of various conspiracies and getting other hunters spun up on such stories.

"WDFW is not the enemy"

Really? What part of WDFW do you work for? Do you know how many wolf packs WDFW confirmed before the wolves started killing cows? Do you believe there is one wolf pack in the Methow Valley as WDFW would have you believe? WDFW are just another finger of the USFWS, run by environmentalists. Do your home work!

Darn, you caught me.  I am actually the director.  There are 97 wolf packs in the Methow Valley and I have to go report to the USFWS now so we can hear from Green Peace on how many wolves they want me to release from the secret kennels in the mountains behind locked gates where we raise hundreds of wolves secretly imported under the guise of being hybrid dogs.   

[KFhunter]

I just don't think all of the rhetoric really helps our cause is my main point.  The liberal politicians in washington make it difficult for WDFW to manage wolves like most of us would prefer...but WDFW is not the enemy.  The eco-groups and their complaining to liberal legislators and governor are what is preventing more desirable wolf management.  If folks want to turn up the heat...focus it on all the deception and lies from groups like Defenders of Wildlife...write and call the wolf loving legislators and governor and governor appointed commissioners and tell them how unhappy you are with wolf management and that you vote!  That will be more effective than accusing wdfw of various conspiracies and getting other hunters spun up on such stories.

"WDFW is not the enemy"

Really? What part of WDFW do you work for? Do you know how many wolf packs WDFW confirmed before the wolves started killing cows? Do you believe there is one wolf pack in the Methow Valley as WDFW would have you believe? WDFW are just another finger of the USFWS, run by environmentalists. Do your home work!

Darn, you caught me.  I am actually the director.  There are 97 wolf packs in the Methow Valley and I have to go report to the USFWS now so we can hear from Green Peace on how many wolves they want me to release from the secret kennels in the mountains behind locked gates where we raise hundreds of wolves secretly imported under the guise of being hybrid dogs.   

jackazzedness doesn't help anything 
so hard to believe a bunch of hippies could aquire some wolves, breed em and turm em loose 

[KFhunter]

http://www.canids.org/PUBLICAT/CNDNEWS3/hybridiz.htm

In case you didn't know about the red wolves they were introduced in the Carolina's.

 

[KFhunter]

http://www.livestockweekly.com/papers/00/11/02/whlwolfeast.asp

Feds Now Proposing To Turn
Wolves Loose In The Northeast

[KFhunter]

http://www.livestockweekly.com/papers/02/04/04/whlwolves.asp

Feds Plan To Turn More Wolves
Loose In New Mexico, Arizona