Since Wolves

[wolfbait]

Andy and a few others are mouth pieces for Conservation NW and WDFW-USFWS-pro-wolf.  They ride the middle of the fence leaping off every so often to defend wolves.

Everything I said would happen three years ago has happened, and yet the same pro-wolf  propaganda is being spread, by the same people.

 The lies of pro-wolf people three years ago are some of the same lies today, except most of them have been proven to be lies. I didn't prove them liars, the wolves did.

These days if you want to separate pro-wolfers from hunters etc. mention the fact that the USFWS along with WDFW have been releasing wolves in WA for several years now.

The argument that deer, elk, moose etc. need more habitat now is just more propaganda that supports WDFW, USFWS, etc buying up private land. With more predators and less game, there is more "habitat".

[JLS]

The lies of pro-wolf people three years ago are some of the same lies today, except most of them have been proven to be lies.

These days if you want to separate pro-wolfers from hunters etc. mention the fact that the USFWS along with WDFW have been releasing wolves in WA for several years now.

The argument that deer, elk, moose etc. need more habitat now is just more propaganda that supports WDFW, USFWS, etc buying up private land. With more predators and less game, there is more "habitat".

So if a lie is proven to be a lie, is that then a double negative and the lie proven to be a lie is now a truth?

I'm glad you can fit everyone into the two boxes of either a hunter or a pro wolfer.  I guess since I don't believe wolves have been being released for several years that I am not a hunter. 

I'm sure it's all a conspiracy to simply buy more land. 

[KFhunter]

Well bickering isn't helping anything,  wish I hadn't shared my story now. 
I've got more, I won't share those I learn fast.

Like I said before it doesn't matter how they got here, we just need to move forward from here.




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[Ridgeratt]

Well bickering isn't helping anything,  wish I hadn't shared my story now. 
I've got more, I won't share those I learn fast.

Like I said before it doesn't matter how they got here, we just need to move forward from here.




baby steps

Seems your learning Grasshopper.   

[KFhunter]

Well bickering isn't helping anything,  wish I hadn't shared my story now. 
I've got more, I won't share those I learn fast.

Like I said before it doesn't matter how they got here, we just need to move forward from here.




baby steps

Seems your learning Grasshopper.   

ya, I need to just get the hell off H-W

[Ridgeratt]

Well bickering isn't helping anything,  wish I hadn't shared my story now. 
I've got more, I won't share those I learn fast.

Like I said before it doesn't matter how they got here, we just need to move forward from here.




baby steps

Seems your learning Grasshopper.   

ya, I need to just get the hell off H-W

 

No it's like trying to teach music to a student who has no interest in Music!!
It wastes your time and just annoys the student.

[idahohuntr]

Where is your voice now idahohuntr?  choking on crow?

 

No, I am not choking on crow actually.  I am choosing not to continue arguing with clueless idiots. 

[CAMPMEAT]

I think a poll should be started to ask who has actually seen a wolf in the wild on the eastside of the Cascades, not tracks or scat.

We get people on here that have read some B.S. propaganda about wolves and believe it 100%, when they actually don't have a clue.

[woodman]

I think a poll should be started to ask who has actually seen a wolf in the wild on the eastside of the Cascades, not tracks or scat.

We get people on here that have read some B.S. propaganda about wolves and believe it 100%, when they actually don't have a clue.

I have, then I shot it.

[CAMPMEAT]

I think a poll should be started to ask who has actually seen a wolf in the wild on the eastside of the Cascades, not tracks or scat.

We get people on here that have read some B.S. propaganda about wolves and believe it 100%, when they actually don't have a clue.

I have, then I shot it.

Good man !!

[mrolen]

yes, there were hybrids raised in the methow thru the 70's and 80's. were they released?? Cant confirm. watched six chasing a whitetail in the early 80"s in the riverbottom by Goudy grade. they went swimming as they crossed the Methow to get away.....

[mountainman]

yes, there were hybrids raised in the methow thru the 70's and 80's. were they released?? Cant confirm. watched six chasing a whitetail in the early 80"s in the riverbottom by Goudy grade. they went swimming as they crossed the Methow to get away.....

actually, this was my post, not Mrolen. Darn
 community work computers

[KFhunter]

Where is your voice now idahohuntr?  choking on crow?

 

No, I am not choking on crow actually.  I am choosing not to continue arguing with clueless idiots.

Well that may be, I've been called worse by better people I suppose.

I've read most of your stuff on wolves and agree with some of it, a lot of it really.  We do need cohesion, we need to work together and we need to stop bickering and fighting.  You even comment on this very thing but fail to pratice what you preach when you go right into attack mode on wolfbait and others like him whom you deem "wacko"  see www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite‎CachedSimilara person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs

Me not really knowing all this or your personal fight in the wolf debate, told a story of personal experience and you jumped all up in my grill so to speak.  All you've manage to do is alienate folks like myself who've seen or heard things over the years - in my case witnessed things, a person who is for all things on your team.  I myself support state managed wolf hunting and other control methods.  I know they are here to stay and accept that, I've never called for complete annihilation. 
Heck I want to hunt them!


Wolfbait has accused you of being a WDFW insider, a defender of wildlife worker and who knows what other things and I can see why, but I say you're far worse than that.
I would much rather you be a defenders of wildlife spokesperson because I know how to fight those people and I know where they come from; but your something else entirely. 
You see there isn't much worse than a person on your own team who won't listen to his teamates, who creates dischord and who fractures the team. 
The most damage always comes from within, well inside your own protective walls.

[bigmacc]

I think a poll should be started to ask who has actually seen a wolf in the wild on the eastside of the Cascades, not tracks or scat.

We get people on here that have read some B.S. propaganda about wolves and believe it 100%, when they actually don't have a clue.

seen one in 1991...ramsey creek, about half way to the end of the road..it was thanksgiving weekend and my dad,myself and one of our huntin pards drove up ramsey in about a foot of snow. got stuck when we were pushin snow with the front bumper..had our cameras and a video camera..my buddy and me got out and started digging. out of the corner of my eye about 15 ft up the embankment some movement caught my eye. it was moving paralel to us thru the trees. hung a left a came down the embankment onto the road and stood there squared off, looking at us from about 50 ft. i grabbed the video camera and started recording. you can here us whistling at it and  all of us saying how big this YOTE was! i have a 110 pound lab and i can tell you this "yote" looked twice the size!. you can here the comments on the video of how "BIG" this yote was! I have about 3 minutes of video of him(or her )that thing stood in the road staring us down and eventually walked to the side of the road and dropped over the side.

[mountainman]

One in the late 70's, half dozen in the 80's(some same animals, different days, and 2 in 2009, all in the upper Methow past Winthrop