Since Wolves

[wolfbait]

JLS you can ask and get their canned answers with nothing to back them up. So you can take them at thier word....

If you are going to insinuate that the information was being withheld, I would at least expect that the specific questions have been asked.

There are people inside WDFW who will answer truthfully, but they don't want their names mentioned. WDFW like the USFWS are basically run by environmentalists now, with a few on the fringe who are old school and disagree with the direction WDFW are moving.

Biologists etc. who work for WDFW and do not agree with the departments wolf policies are either replaced or not included in livestock killed investigations etc where wolves are involved.

I kind of think you already know what the wolves have done and what WA will end up looking like in a few years. At this stage of the game most of the info has been covered on W-H and other sites.

Comparing me with Toby Bridges was actually a compliment, as he has been fighting this far longer then I have. People like Robert Fanning, Toby Bridges, Todd Fross, Scott Rockholm and a few others at one time tried to tell the people of W-H how the USFWS released wolves in their states. One thing that has always stuck in my mind is: Wolves eat their way to where they are going, they don't pull up and move through miles of game fill country and start eating their way back home.

By the time WDFW finish confirming their last wolf pack, WA will be stuffed with wolves.

[wolfbait]

I found this out some time ago from a source inside WDFW. People on hunting sites are being paid to down play the impact that wolves will have on hunting, and to direct the topic off of wolves.

If I/you had known this long ago, I'm sure we would not have wasted our time trying to convince some people.

Your turn JLS

[JLS]

I found this out some time ago from a source inside WDFW. People on hunting sites are being paid to down play the impact that wolves will have on hunting, and to direct the topic off of wolves.

If I/you had known this long ago, I'm sure we would not have wasted our time trying to convince some people.

Your turn JLS

Maybe I should ask for my money then

You continue to make assertions with no proof or evidence whatsoever.  Just because you repeat something often enough does not mean that it's true.

[wolfbait]

I found this out some time ago from a source inside WDFW. People on hunting sites are being paid to down play the impact that wolves will have on hunting, and to direct the topic off of wolves.

If I/you had known this long ago, I'm sure we would not have wasted our time trying to convince some people.

Your turn JLS

Maybe I should ask for my money then

You continue to make assertions with no proof or evidence whatsoever.  Just because you repeat something often enough does not mean that it's true.

"You continue to make assertions with no proof or evidence whatsoever.  Just because you repeat something often enough does not mean that it's true."

Actually I have posted Story after story of people dealing with wolves, going back 16+ years. These are real people dealing with wolves that the USFWS, illegally introduced with the help of Defenders of Wildlife.

I don't think you know what a hunter really is: A hunter is someone who cares about what he is hunting, he /she cares about the health of the herd? There are some hunters who just like the hunt.  And the hunt with a camera, the hunt to just spend time in the woods. Not every hunter is after winter meat.

The USFWS and WDFW's wolves will take all pleasures away from outdoor people in one way or another.

To you it might be easy money, and maybe you need money. But you are loosing Your Soul, you might be a hunter now, but what you are doing is Wrong, and it will follow you forever. I wish I could feel sorry for you, but I can't.

Don't feel too bad though, because there are several in front of you who sold out their friends without them even knowing it.

[Special T]

JLS what i ask everyone who seems to think I am some kind of  is this... WHAT has the WDFW done to gain the trust of sportsmen on this issue? Please help the WDFW make the case why we should put out faith in them.... All that i have ever heard is platitudes and promises, neither of which have been fulfilled or verified.

Perhaps i reside in the "real world" where i have to prove my worth to my customers and rarely have to play politics. IMO the ONLY state that has proved its worth on this issue is WY. and that is because they stood their ground with the feds while others capitulated and tired to appease them. I know of no other state that has butted heads with the feds and then have had the feds agree with the state... Even states that i USED to hold in high regard. ID & MT buckled to the pressure. 

[JLS]

I found this out some time ago from a source inside WDFW. People on hunting sites are being paid to down play the impact that wolves will have on hunting, and to direct the topic off of wolves.

If I/you had known this long ago, I'm sure we would not have wasted our time trying to convince some people.

Your turn JLS

Maybe I should ask for my money then

You continue to make assertions with no proof or evidence whatsoever.  Just because you repeat something often enough does not mean that it's true.

"You continue to make assertions with no proof or evidence whatsoever.  Just because you repeat something often enough does not mean that it's true."

Actually I have posted Story after story of people dealing with wolves, going back 16+ years. These are real people dealing with wolves that the USFWS, illegally introduced with the help of Defenders of Wildlife.

I don't think you know what a hunter really is: A hunter is someone who cares about what he is hunting, he /she cares about the health of the herd? There are some hunters who just like the hunt.  And the hunt with a camera, the hunt to just spend time in the woods. Not every hunter is after winter meat.

The USFWS and WDFW's wolves will take all pleasures away from outdoor people in one way or another.

To you it might be easy money, and maybe you need money. But you are loosing Your Soul, you might be a hunter now, but what you are doing is Wrong, and it will follow you forever. I wish I could feel sorry for you, but I can't.

Don't feel too bad though, because there are several in front of you who sold out their friends without them even knowing it.

I could care less if you feel sorry for me, I don't need you to.  I know perfectly what a hunter is, thank you.  I won't go into all that I have done with my time and money to help wildlife, because to you it doesn't matter.  It's all about wolves.  And, honestly I don't need to champion it for the whole world to see.  I and others have named off a multitude of things that are of greater threat to our wildlife populations than wolves.  I choose to focus on those instead of banging the conspiracy theory drum.

[CAMPMEAT]

Wolves are a huge threat next to the environmentalist, commie greenies. You never see greenies getting collared and relocated. 

[JLS]

JLS what i ask everyone who seems to think I am some kind of  is this... WHAT has the WDFW done to gain the trust of sportsmen on this issue? Please help the WDFW make the case why we should put out faith in them.... All that i have ever heard is platitudes and promises, neither of which have been fulfilled or verified.

Perhaps i reside in the "real world" where i have to prove my worth to my customers and rarely have to play politics. IMO the ONLY state that has proved its worth on this issue is WY. and that is because they stood their ground with the feds while others capitulated and tired to appease them. I know of no other state that has butted heads with the feds and then have had the feds agree with the state... Even states that i USED to hold in high regard. ID & MT buckled to the pressure. 

I have stated before that I disagree strongly with WDFWs wolf plan.  However, because I disagree the plan does not make everyone associated with it a liar. 

I don't see where MT and ID buckled to the pressure, they were shooting wolves long before WY was.  I guess if that's a moral victory, so be it.  I don't see where they would have any significant difference in the number of wolves had they taken Wyoming's stance.

[wolfbait]

Wolves are a huge threat next to the environmentalist, commie greenies. You never see greenies getting collared and relocated. 

"You never see greenies getting collared and relocated"

 We do have some collared right here on W-H but no one want's them, all other hunting sites are shipping them off in sealed containers back to WDFW

[CAMPMEAT]

It's H-W little mister. Sheela says hi !! 

[wolfbait]

It's H-W little mister. Sheela says hi !! 

She is a pretty little truck

[mholzngel]

all we can do is if you see one regardless of where you are and what time of the year your there do your best to kill the wolves that are thriving on what we live for.

[Special T]

JLS what i ask everyone who seems to think I am some kind of  is this... WHAT has the WDFW done to gain the trust of sportsmen on this issue? Please help the WDFW make the case why we should put out faith in them.... All that i have ever heard is platitudes and promises, neither of which have been fulfilled or verified.

Perhaps i reside in the "real world" where i have to prove my worth to my customers and rarely have to play politics. IMO the ONLY state that has proved its worth on this issue is WY. and that is because they stood their ground with the feds while others capitulated and tired to appease them. I know of no other state that has butted heads with the feds and then have had the feds agree with the state... Even states that i USED to hold in high regard. ID & MT buckled to the pressure. 

I have stated before that I disagree strongly with WDFWs wolf plan.  However, because I disagree the plan does not make everyone associated with it a liar. 

I don't see where MT and ID buckled to the pressure, they were shooting wolves long before WY was.  I guess if that's a moral victory, so be it.  I don't see where they would have any significant difference in the number of wolves had they taken Wyoming's stance.

I didn't call you a lier.  MT And ID Did capitualte. they made a wolf a big game animal. WY did not except in the most NE corner of the state. That was after shooting them like coyotes for several years with the blessing of the state.

[JLS]

I didn't call you a lier.

Didn't mean to imply that you did.  I'm certainly not associated with the wolf plan.

[AspenBud]

Also, as someone that's had to deal with FOIAs before, I can tell you they are a royal pain.  I don't know how many times I've sat by the photocopier, wondering to myself why the person couldn't just call on the phone and ask what they wanted to know.

I think you would be surprised at how candid folks can be when you call them up and ask them your questions.  Whether or not you want to believe the answer is entirely up to you.  Given the info that it seems you are wanting and the answers you don't seem to want to accept, maybe you should submit a FOIA to Wolfbait.

FOIA's are problematic in my experience. In this day and age you have to hope the data is getting collected and stored by IT, which means you have to hope they were told to do so and had the support to make it happen because older records are a VERY labor intensive thing to add. If it's something from the distant past they often literally have to start hauling out old equipment or start flipping through paper files.

If it's decades of computer based records and a system upgrade is performed a lot of data may not come along for the ride with the new system, people retire and knowledge of how to access that data is lost, etc etc etc.

Point being, it's a cluster f$%#, and it doesn't matter which agency in which state you are dealing with, and will probably only get worse with time. Some FOIA's are cake to comply with, some are a nightmare or outright impossible...and as has been stated by others here, you better have a very specific request if not for any other reason than to help focus the search.