Since Wolves

[KFhunter]

Let's see a show of hands of those who have had a NWCO licence and dealt with wildlife problems daily? lol I never filled out a report when "fido" was caught killing the chickens not a coyote. Why did the State give orders to kill any free roaming dogs on WDFW lands back in the 90s in Eastern Washington?

Less than 100 wolves in the state and thousands of dogs roaming free in packs, figure it out.

Hope you guys all live in brick houses..because the big bad wolf is going to huff and puff...

I guess we learn something new every day, it's the 1000's of wild dogs killing off the deer and elk. I wonder if we should break the news to ID, MT, and Wyoming? It's wasn't wolves you fools it was them dang packed up wild dogs!

Are you the new WDFW wolf counter, Cougartail? Could you give us a hint on the exact number of wolves there are in WA?

All them evil corgi's are killing our elk!

[idahohuntr]

Let's see a show of hands of those who have had a NWCO licence and dealt with wildlife problems daily? lol I never filled out a report when "fido" was caught killing the chickens not a coyote. Why did the State give orders to kill any free roaming dogs on WDFW lands back in the 90s in Eastern Washington?

Less than 100 wolves in the state and thousands of dogs roaming free in packs, figure it out.

Hope you guys all live in brick houses..because the big bad wolf is going to huff and puff...

I guess we learn something new every day, it's the 1000's of wild dogs killing off the deer and elk. I wonder if we should break the news to ID, MT, and Wyoming? It's wasn't wolves you fools it was them dang packed up wild dogs!

Are you the new WDFW wolf counter, Cougartail? Could you give us a hint on the exact number of wolves there are in WA?

So wolfbait, just about everytime someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of being a wdfw/fws employee/insider...do you think wdfw is out to get you?  and that they have several staff reading and responding to your posts?  I hate to break it to you, but you are not that important.

Also, do you hunt elk in Idaho or Montana or Wyoming or Washington?  You post a lot on wolves but do you actually even hunt?  I am starting to wonder if you are actually a greenie writing up a bunch of crap that will get the wolf-lovers spun up so you can raise money for your environmentalist groups to make sure wolves stay protected from hunting in Washington state.

Please direct me to your posts or create new ones showing some of the elk you have killed so that I at least know you are a hunter and not some whacko environmentalist creating propaganda for greenie fundraising groups.

[KFhunter]

 



I think you found his true agenda idahohuntr;  fund raising for the wolf huggers, man why didn't I see that 

[Cougartail]

Lets see..In 2011 a pack of 5 wild dogs killed almost 100 animals, mostly livestock up around Deer Park, near Spokane. If you check the incident reports on wolves in Washington from 2005 to present you won't even come close to that number of wolf kills on domestics. (livestock, dogs, cats etc.)

That is one pack of 5 mutts.  In Tonasket, dogs killed 9 domestic sheep this year in one incident. That is more than wolves so far this year. I personally have seen 20 plus sheep mauled by roaming packs of dogs.
 

Before blowing a bunch of hot air and calling people "rats" maybe you "wolf haters" should actually read the wolf incident reports and try and educate yourself.

[mountainman]

Does that report list the domestic livestock killed by wolves and the ones the department DENIES were killed by wolves? Wait, you would probably believe that report also?

[Cougartail]

Does that report list the domestic livestock killed by wolves and the ones the department DENIES were killed by wolves? Wait, you would probably believe that report also?

They list all events in which wolves were suspected/accused of killing, harassing or harming livestock. Even if you count all deaths as wolf kills you don't come close to the Deer Park killings.

Included are all calls responded to by WDFW as incident reports...just like when police respond to service/complaint calls a log is made. (Raw data.)

Do I trust them? Yes. I have dealt with the enforcement guys at WDFW and they unlike SOME biologists are not left leaning.

After listening to some on here I believe there are few that spend much time in the field and just parrot what each other say with little actual experience. A lot like big city liberals who parrot the "Disney line".

I'll be looking for a site with outdoorsmen as they seem to be lacking here.

[CAMPMEAT]

Don't let the door hit you in the a55..............

[Houndhunter]

Don't let the door hit you in the a55..............

[Cougartail]

Don't let the door hit you in the a55..............

Is your house made of straw, sticks or brick? You have a nice day...

[AspenBud]

Lets see..In 2011 a pack of 5 wild dogs killed almost 100 animals, mostly livestock up around Deer Park, near Spokane. If you check the incident reports on wolves in Washington from 2005 to present you won't even come close to that number of wolf kills on domestics. (livestock, dogs, cats etc.)

That is one pack of 5 mutts.  In Tonasket, dogs killed 9 domestic sheep this year in one incident. That is more than wolves so far this year. I personally have seen 20 plus sheep mauled by roaming packs of dogs.
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Truth. I can rattle off a few incidents of dogs killing livestock myself. It does not take much research to see that old fido causes far far more damage overall on livestock of varying sorts in this state. The cases just aren't as sensational and typically the loss is cumulative, lots of smaller losses piled on each other. It's a lot like noticing bears, coyotes, and cougars attack far more people every single year.

But that's not popular so...

[deaner]

Lets see..In 2011 a pack of 5 wild dogs killed almost 100 animals, mostly livestock up around Deer Park, near Spokane. If you check the incident reports on wolves in Washington from 2005 to present you won't even come close to that number of wolf kills on domestics. (livestock, dogs, cats etc.)

That is one pack of 5 mutts.  In Tonasket, dogs killed 9 domestic sheep this year in one incident. That is more than wolves so far this year. I personally have seen 20 plus sheep mauled by roaming packs of dogs.
 

Before blowing a bunch of hot air and calling people "rats" maybe you "wolf haters" should actually read the wolf incident reports and try and educate yourself.

you said "thousands" of feral dogs roaming in packs.  that doesnt sound like thousands

[mountainman]

What a joker! Adios!

[AspenBud]

I don't know about thousands of ferals, but this was interesting.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1866&context=icwdm_usdanwrc&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dnumber%2Bof%2Bferal%2Bdogs%2Bin%2Bwashington%2Bstate%26oq%3Dnumber%2Bof%2Bferal%2Bdogs%2Bin%2Bwashington%2Bstate%26gs_l%3Dmobile-heirloom-serp.3...0.0.1.71.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..24.mobile-heirloom-serp..9.46.8354.CXjXiYxULIY

[AspenBud]

In addition to the link I posted above and for some perspective...

http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/tuesday/1354062-8/coyotes-are-the-prime-predator

The short version...

"As killers of livestock go, though, the wolf is comparatively inefficient or, at least, unprolific. According to the National Agricultural Statistics Service, of 220 predator-caused livestock mortalities in 2011, just 4 percent were attributed to wolves. Big cats — mountain lions, bobcats and lynx — accounted for another 9 percent, slightly less than dogs (10 percent).

Far and away No. 1 on the list, with 53 percent? The most problematic predator in the United States, not because of an edge in ferocity or size, but because they’re everywhere.

Coyotes."

[KFhunter]

Livestock owners need the ability to protect their livestock, from all predators. You've made that point clear. 



It'll get much worse in Washington, this is only the beginning.