Since Wolves

[AspenBud]

Moose Puts up Fierce Fight to Protect Her Baby from Wolves

Half dozen wolves, 1 moose calf...mid-morning nibble. Multiply this by 1/2 dz. calfs/day...in a good calfing area...30 days long..180 calfs +/-...couple that with say, the Colockum elk herd, already depleted and declining..add indians claiming the big bulls when they can. herd will be gone before you know it. great habitat up there. wolves hunt in groups, not like a single bear. Bears are also omnivirous. Add the adult elk killed throughout the year. mess in the making!!

Momma moose with her calf getting taken by 1 black bear. Guess who isn't seeing as much hunting with hounds these days? And we have what? 25,000-30,000 black bear in this state? And who knows how many mountain lion?

Bear Kills Moose

[buckfvr]

I just think that along with all the other problems, the wolf is going to be the straw that broke the camels back.............not singularly, but cumulatively.  It is a problem that can not be explained away..........

[WAcoyotehunter]

Half dozen wolves, 1 moose calf...mid-morning nibble. Multiply this by 1/2 dz. calfs/day...in a good calfing area...30 days long..180 calfs +/-...couple that with say, the Colockum elk herd, already depleted and declining..add indians claiming the big bulls when they can. herd will be gone before you know it. great habitat up there. wolves hunt in groups, not like a single bear. Bears are also omnivirous. Add the adult elk killed throughout the year. mess in the making!!

I'm not so sure about your math.  Where did the 6 calves per day number come from?  And keep in mind, calves are only tiny and really vunerable for a short time....

[AspenBud]

I just think that along with all the other problems, the wolf is going to be the straw that broke the camels back.............not singularly, but cumulatively.  It is a problem that can not be explained away..........

They're certainly a contributing factor. No doubt about that. But how much relative to the rest?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I just think that along with all the other problems, the wolf is going to be the straw that broke the camels back.............not singularly, but cumulatively.  It is a problem that can not be explained away..........

A worst wolves will be a push, as they will displace other predators. At best, they may take other predators down a notch and actually improve hunting of some species such as game birds.

[AspenBud]

At best, they may take other predators down a notch and actually improve hunting of some species such as game birds.

 In that event....



Though guys with dogs will have more to worry about.

[Northway]

I just think that along with all the other problems, the wolf is going to be the straw that broke the camels back.............not singularly, but cumulatively.  It is a problem that can not be explained away..........

A worst wolves will be a push, as they will displace other predators. At best, they may take other predators down a notch and actually improve hunting of some species such as game birds.

I believe there may have been a study done on additive vs. compensatory wolf predation, but I can't remember where I saw it. I would imagine though, that the relationship is variable due to the fact that some terrain favors wolves more than others.

It is a difficult thing to quantify.........

[KFhunter]

People of Washington, the "wolf haters" might not have been so hateful if WDFW would have implemented a reasonable wolf plan and been more proactive in removing problem animals.

They lost my trust when they failed to verify packs, then pissed me off when they do everything they can to hide wolf predation on livestock.


WDFW has done more damage to the wolfs image in WA than the wolves themselves.  .

[buckfvr]

People of Washington, the "wolf haters" might not have been so hateful if WDFW would have implemented a reasonable wolf plan and been more proactive in removing problem animals.

They lost my trust when they failed to verify packs, then pissed me off when they do everything they can to hide wolf predation on livestock.


WDFW has done more damage to the wolfs image in WA than the wolves themselves.  .

     Cant argue that............and lets not forget the last wolf meeting.........good grief, what a bunch dead beat liars.

[snowpack]

People of Washington, the "wolf haters" might not have been so hateful if WDFW would have implemented a reasonable wolf plan and been more proactive in removing problem animals.

They lost my trust when they failed to verify packs, then pissed me off when they do everything they can to hide wolf predation on livestock.


WDFW has done more damage to the wolfs image in WA than the wolves themselves.  .

No kidding.  Add in that the commission is being overtaken by wolf advocacy groups linked to radicals like earth first and were instrumental in the hound/baiting/trapping bans; and that they don't like to hold wolf related meetings in the areas getting the most wolves or outside of working hours. 

[Cougartail]

 then pissed me off when they do everything they can to hide wolf predation on livestock.

Didn't you mean they stopped people from freeloading by claiming every predation was by a wolf so they could get a check?

You and your buddies own livestock?

[KFhunter]

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you leave none humanure.

[buckfvr]

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you leave none humanure.

Is that who that is ??

[Cougartail]

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you leave none humanure.

Stop running your mouth and answer the question. Do you have livestock?

Everybody knows they get paid if it's a wolf and take it in the shorts if it's not.

[Cougartail]

Lets see..In 2011 a pack of 5 wild dogs killed almost 100 animals, mostly livestock up around Deer Park, near Spokane. If you check the incident reports on wolves in Washington from 2005 to present you won't even come close to that number of wolf kills on domestics. (livestock, dogs, cats etc.)

That is one pack of 5 mutts.  In Tonasket, dogs killed 9 domestic sheep this year in one incident. That is more than wolves so far this year. I personally have seen 20 plus sheep mauled by roaming packs of dogs.
 

Before blowing a bunch of hot air and calling people "rats" maybe you "wolf haters" should actually read the wolf incident reports and try and educate yourself.

you said "thousands" of feral dogs roaming in packs.  that doesnt sound like thousands

Read my post carefully before posting. I never said feral dogs. I said dogs. I also stand by the thousands. A pack being 3 or more dogs running together. Just go to any reservation or hispanic towns and you will see many families own a "pack" and let them roam free.