Wolf Attack at Harts Pass

[BIGINNER]

I had some fun with a fellow we ran into this year who had just arrowed his first elk. He mentioned something about wanting to go back to his killsite to look for part of his arrow but chose not to "because he didn't have his sidearm with him."
Asked this big, kind of tough looking guy why he'd need to have a sidearm to do such a simple task. Mentioned I've gone into many kill sites over the years, often in the dark and by my lonesome. Never carried a sidearm.
His reply: cougars, bears & now wolves.
I had to laugh!

I don't see how that is funny.   

I've never had a close encounter with a predator before, but I would never go into the forest especially close to dark without protection.
it's not that i'm scared, but i'm just being careful. i'd rather have a weapon and not need it, than need it and not have it.
I have a wife and kids at home that depend on me being healthy, so I wouldn't take a risk of being attacked (as small of a risk as it is) and not being able to defend myself.
same reason I always carry a gun wile not hunting as well.
 

[LRP]

Question:  When did it get the designation Hozomeen pack?

The Methow pack is the Lookout Pack.  But there is another pack at the north end of Ross Lake into the Pasayten,  its known as the Hozomeen pack.  Not sure when the designation came about. 

[wolfbait]

Question:  When did it get the designation Hozomeen pack?

The Methow pack is the Lookout Pack.  But there is another pack at the north end of Ross Lake into the Pasayten,  its known as the Hozomeen pack.  Not sure when the designation came about.

But weren't we told by WDFW that the Lookout pack was the first confirmed wolf pack in 70  years?

[KFhunter]

I had some fun with a fellow we ran into this year who had just arrowed his first elk. He mentioned something about wanting to go back to his killsite to look for part of his arrow but chose not to "because he didn't have his sidearm with him."
Asked this big, kind of tough looking guy why he'd need to have a sidearm to do such a simple task. Mentioned I've gone into many kill sites over the years, often in the dark and by my lonesome. Never carried a sidearm.
His reply: cougars, bears & now wolves.
I had to laugh!

that was me too, but it ain't no more.

[LRP]

 Wolfbait,  your right about the Lookout Pack.  The Hozomeen pack is a Canadian pack.  It dens in Canada but right on the edge of the US.  So it wanders into the Pasayten and is now down to Harts Pass.  Or maybe its a lone wolf wandering or was it a member of new pack thats not yet known.  But another question is, if it is a new pack, where will they go come winter?  Lots of questions.

[wolfbait]

THey are more efficient killers than wolves by far.   In fact I know of multiple instances where the wolves adapt to letting the cat make a kill then the wolves run the cats off, and they have to go kill again.   Idabooner watched this for two winters from his front porch.   Thankfully cats seem to show more fear than wolves do.   That's the part that bothers me about wolves.

You would be lucky to have a cat kill you verses a wolf or wolves. And like Bone said, many people never see the predator that could have had you for lunch. I have also seen where cats made the kill and wolves drove them off.

But what many people are failing to remember is that the lower 48 got rid of wolves for a reason, and we have not had problems with them until the illegal wolf introduction. So now 18 years later we now know what wolves have done and will do.

In Idaho the USFWS refuse to investigate wolf attacks, with no documentation, the incident never happened, sounds a lot like WDFW.  Here is an example from a friend in central Idaho: My note to her: There have been several close calls involving wolves stalking people and false attacks in the Methow Valley, the ones that are made public, WDFW plays down. It's just a matter of time and someone will be killed.

 And her reply: Same here back before we could have a hunting season. Most were never reported, since the FWS would not respond. Except once. A lady had her expensive stud dog eaten right in front of her. They sent in a government trapper and took out the only collared wolf in the area. So then we had no collars, so therefore no wolves - weird logic. And their wolf "expert" Cater Niemyer said there had never been a documented attack on a horse. Hell, we had all kinds of attacks up here, but they didn't count if the FWS refused to document them! Unless you are raising animals for money, it doesn't count and no compensation. Pets included. Since the lady was a dog breeder, I think she got a little money.

Some of us in Wa knew what wolves would do to our game herds, livestock, and how they would affect the people from reports coming out of ID, MT and Wyoming.

How many people thought WDFW would protect our game herds? How many pro-wolf people did WDFW put on the wolf working group? Actually it would be easier to count how many people were against an uncontrolled wolf population.

The bottom line here is, people who live where wolves are plentiful, are learning to always go armed. And if you have to shoot a wolf make damn sure you put a round in the chest, or WDFW and the USFWS will crawl up your -ss.

[wolfbait]

Wolfbait,  your right about the Lookout Pack.  The Hozomeen pack is a Canadian pack.  It dens in Canada but right on the edge of the US.  So it wanders into the Pasayten and is now down to Harts Pass.  Or maybe its a lone wolf wandering or was it a member of new pack thats not yet known.  But another question is, if it is a new pack, where will they go come winter?  Lots of questions.

Bull chit, but nice try.

Rare Wolf Pups To Be Isolated, Photographed

Times Staff: Times News Services

Wildlife biologists hope to capture the first wolf pups known to have been born in Washington in decades - but only on film from unmanned, infrared cameras set up near the den site in the North Cascades.

State and federal biologists in May located the gray wolf den containing pups by howling at them and getting distinctive barks and howls in return. It is the first confirmation in 15 years that wolves are living in Washington, says Harriet Allen, state biologist.

More importantly, she said, ``it's the first wolf den, first indication of breeding since the early 1900s. We've always thought there were transient wolves in the Cascades based on tracks.''

Biologists will not attempt to get close enough to see the den in the Hozomeen area of Ross Lake National Recreation Area for another month for fear of disturbing the she-wolf and causing her to move her pups.The road into the Hozomeen has been closed to all traffic until June 14.

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By the way what does Harriet Allen do now?


In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

 

[wolfbait]

By the way LRP, hunters reported seeing seven wolves close to Early Winter last week. Another report of eight wolves below Calton in a field a few days ago. I would guess that WDFW are going to be busy forming brand new lies.

[wolfbait]

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/usfws-looking-into-wolf-incident-in-western-okanogan-county/

That's really a lame story. So full of holes, and overall just seems dis-jointed.

“We are aware of the incident. We are looking into it. We have no further comment at this time,” said Doug Zimmer at the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service’s office in Lacey."

Does anyone here remember Doug Zimmer? Do I need to post the picture of the cow again? Both WDFW and the USFWS lied about the Golden Doe cow, and they never mentioned the new calf she had on her when the wolves killed her.

“By the time we got to the carcass it was too old for me to say yay or nay if it was killed by a wolf,” said Scott Fitkin, wildlife biologist with the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. “It was clearly fed on by something, but not much was left but a lot of maggots.” Fitkin and a USDA Wildlife Services agent inspected the carcass on Friday (May 22).
http://www.conservationnw.org/pressroom/press-clips/proof-of-wolf-kill-may-elude-investigators

When experts examined the decomposing cow May 22, it had been so worked over by scavengers that there was little left but hide and hip bones.

Even so, "there was nothing about the carcass to indicate that wolves had anything to do with it," said Doug Zimmer, a spokesman for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

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[boneaddict]

But another question is, if it is a new pack, where will they go come winter?

They have been wintering right above Lundgrens and on Ramsey and that general area. 

[bearpaw]

Please remember to report all wolf sightings to WDFW and here on this forum so there is a way for us to encourage accountability.

It seems far to obvious that many infatuated agency employees, biologists, and managers will do anything to hide the number of wolves in Washington. Wolves mean easy money for WDFW from the wolf lovers and federal government. Too bad WDFW is so short sighted and cannot see how the wolf dollars have dried up in other states and now decreased license sales plague those agencies.

I'm sorry to say I don't trust any of the people responsible for destroying the greatest hunting in the west and the North American wildlife management model that was the envy of the world. It seems these infatuated agency personnel will lie and hide the truth to promote and protect their beloved wolves. These same wolf worshippers within our agencies do not care what happens to our game herds, it seems they would prefer that wolves cause a reduction in game herds and hunting opportunity. The only reason many packs in this state are even documented is probably due to the pressure by hunters, ranchers, and other people who are concerned about our game herds, livestock, human safety, and rural economies.

I strongly support the sustainable management of all our wildlife and have strongly supported our wildlife agencies in the past, but the handling of the Canadian Wolf Introduction in the west including the use of false information from wolf groups, ignored and/or hidden facts about wolves during the development of wolf plans, has destroyed much of the faith I had in our agencies. It seems that hunters, ranchers, and anyone wanting equitable management for all wildlife should carefully consider who can be trusted to balance wildlife management equally for all species within our agencies and work to eliminate untrustworthy agency personnel.

[pianoman9701]

Read Operation Cody. That'll restore your faith in our DFW. Oh wait, no, it'll lose it further! Never mind. 

[buckfvr]

If they work for wdfw and go with the flow, keeping it to themselves, they are as guilty as the perps and should also be eliminated..............It is so policy now, accepted and promoted, that I believe the whole agency, top to bottom, is responsible for the turn this is taking.

I wish we, the tax payers could fire every last one of them.   

[Boss .300 winmag]

Wolfbait,  your right about the Lookout Pack.  The Hozomeen pack is a Canadian pack.  It dens in Canada but right on the edge of the US.  So it wanders into the Pasayten and is now down to Harts Pass.  Or maybe its a lone wolf wandering or was it a member of new pack thats not yet known.  But another question is, if it is a new pack, where will they go come winter?  Lots of questions.

Bull chit, but nice try.

Rare Wolf Pups To Be Isolated, Photographed

Times Staff: Times News Services

Wildlife biologists hope to capture the first wolf pups known to have been born in Washington in decades - but only on film from unmanned, infrared cameras set up near the den site in the North Cascades.

State and federal biologists in May located the gray wolf den containing pups by howling at them and getting distinctive barks and howls in return. It is the first confirmation in 15 years that wolves are living in Washington, says Harriet Allen, state biologist.

More importantly, she said, ``it's the first wolf den, first indication of breeding since the early 1900s. We've always thought there were transient wolves in the Cascades based on tracks.''

Biologists will not attempt to get close enough to see the den in the Hozomeen area of Ross Lake National Recreation Area for another month for fear of disturbing the she-wolf and causing her to move her pups.The road into the Hozomeen has been closed to all traffic until June 14.

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By the way what does Harriet Allen do now?


In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

If my memory is right these wolves are actually gray wolves, not like the ones they brought down from way up north.

They have been in that area for a long time, in the early 90's the Park Service had a ranger winter over in Hozomeen to study them. I have talked with her about it at get to gethers I have attended at the park.

[bearpaw]

 

According to WDFW the lookout pack was the first wolves in many years.