FR 1501 Little Rattlesnake

[jwd7777]

  Looks like the 1501 is going to close permanently here is the link:  http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558/abc123/forestservic.download.akamai.com/11558/www/nepa/88001_FSPLT3_1458720.pdf

[brianmtsinc]

One more road system shut down.... 

I dont hunt there, but I am sure some do.... sorry for those effected 

[jwd7777]

This will close hunting access up the Grouse Haven Rd. That is where we camped before 2 years ago. Also cuts down another way out if something major to the 1500 Rd. Just something to think about.

[7mmfan]

I personally have seen snowmobilers in there in the winter chase and harass wintering elk, so closing this down will help those animals a lot IMO. While yes, its an inconvenience for many hunters who have hunted and camped up there, it will add a large roadless area to a lower shrub steppe environment, something we have very little of in this state. I think this could be a very good thing for people willing to work a little. Some great ground up that valley.

[jwd7777]

7mmfan I know there is no point in complaining about the issue and I am not. I like the idea for the elk in fact it probably will help my hunting area. But if there was to be a big wash out on the 1500 rd. That could keep alot of people from getting out. Just my two cents.

[Call em in]

If you call Michelle King who is the contact at the bottom of the proposal her voicemail says that she is on furlough do to lack of government funding.  Good Luck! 

[PlateauNDN]

Cannalways go aroynd and come out rimrock side.

[gasman]

Its a sad day when hunters are happy that the gov closes access to an area and limits its access 


What about those disables or unable people that can no longer recreate in these closed areas, oh, to bad for them...... Right 


Some people just don't care about others............... its all about "Me".



And yes I am 

[turbo]

I personally have seen snowmobilers in there in the winter chase and harass wintering elk, so closing this down will help those animals a lot IMO. While yes, its an inconvenience for many hunters who have hunted and camped up there, it will add a large roadless area to a lower shrub steppe environment, something we have very little of in this state. I think this could be a very good thing for people willing to work a little. Some great ground up that valley.

It's funny that you think closing a road will stop winter recreation. Here's a news flash for you, snowmobilers that have 1 ounce of skill only ride the roads where they have to. 99% of the riding is off road. That's where the fun is. They could close all of the roads in there and it would still get heavy use by sleds.

Anyone that thinks losing ground is good is suspect at best. IMO

[Dave Workman]

Well, here's a question nobody here has addressed:

How much is the USFS spending on this "decommissioning" project?  They're taking out two bridges, recycling asphalt from the road they are tearing up, pulling out a bunch of culverts,  yada yada

You think that's cheap?  Doesn't anybody understand they could likely fix the road with the same money?

This is just another lockout of the public from public land.  We own that land! 

For people who are concerned about snowmobilers harassing elk... turn the b@$tard$ in. Harassing wildlife is a crime.

I am fed up with the small fortunes being spent to "decommission" roads.

It's ACCESS people.

[jwd7777]

Good point Dave!!!!! The road is not that bad was up there a couple weeks ago.

[brianmtsinc]

Well, here's a question nobody here has addressed:

How much is the USFS spending on this "decommissioning" project?  They're taking out two bridges, recycling asphalt from the road they are tearing up, pulling out a bunch of culverts,  yada yada

You think that's cheap?  Doesn't anybody understand they could likely fix the road with the same money?

This is just another lockout of the public from public land.  We own that land! 

For people who are concerned about snowmobilers harassing elk... turn the b@$tard$ in. Harassing wildlife is a crime.

I am fed up with the small fortunes being spent to "decommission" roads.

It's ACCESS people.

 

[Dave Workman]

Good point Dave!!!!! The road is not that bad was up there a couple weeks ago.

That guy Dave tries hard to make only good points.    This could easily be described as a public land grab by a public agency. I've hunted up there, camped, enjoyed the countryside and so forth. I have NEVER been a fan of "decommissioning" because it smacks of a greenie mentality. Keep People Out.  "KPO" 

I'm as cognizant of the need for good big game habitat as anybody on this forum, and maybe more than most. I'm from around here, and in this particular case, my dad graduated from Naches high school in 1940 and my grandpa was involved in building the original Naches ranger station, so I've got a bit of history with the Little Rattlesnake.

      

[Dave Workman]

The little rattlesnake is a useless road as it is. Why fix it if you don't need it? I will be happy to hike in. The fishing will only get better.

I think the wildcat 1306 rd should be higher priority to open back up. That is where they log the most and it provides acsess to the se part of 356.

Well, you can hike to your heart's content. Many others are not so fortunate as to be able to hike in for a little fishing, which may not get better at all, based on personal experience with waters that have been beyond the access of many people. 

Nobody's telling you that you can't hike somewhere.

And just because you think the Little Rattlesnake road is useless doesn't really make it so. There are places I'd rather not have to drive all the way around the Devil's Table to access, thank you very much.

 

[gasman]

That is one thing I have always hated, the " all about ME" mantality.

Its thinking like this that get the gvreenies what they want. Divide and concuor.
How about we start acting like humans and think of our fellow man?

[logger]

I have been involved in a few road decomissioning projects, usually cost way more to tear em out than it did to build it in the first place! The forest service and their engineering dept. leaves alot to be desired. One thing I have noticed is the rapid failure of forest service roads the last few years, the private sector timber roads don't fail nearly as often or to the extremes that federal roads do. I am thinking they need to re visit their maint. policy, and ounce of prevention!

[turbo]

We all are entitled to our own opinions. If I want to access the top half, I will drive around to the top. It doesn't matter to me. The little rattlesnake is fun to bike and hike right now as it is. I love being with no other traffic on the road. It is useless to the forest service so they are loosing money if the fix it and loosing money if they tear it apart. I sure hope I draw a bethel tag. It will keep the lazy people out and make the hunting that much better.

So it's all about you huh? How about we close all roads by your mentality?

I did draw a big bull Bethel tag last year and the little rattlesnake road was great. In and out in 15 min to camp and if you have a trailer in there and it snows, it's the best safe way out. We were really wishing it was doable with a trailer but it was trucks only. It's barely even bad, the only thing bad was the dirt pile the *censored*es built. I will continue to drive that road until they decommission it to satisfy the greenies...

[bobcat]

Don't be angry with him, guys. He's not the one who decided to shut it down. Besides, if it makes sense economically I really don't blame the Forest service. We complain all the time about wasted money and excessive government spending, yet when they do something like this to save money in the long run, people still complain. 


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[firepin]

We all are entitled to our own opinions. If I want to access the top half, I will drive around to the top. It doesn't matter to me. The little rattlesnake is fun to bike and hike right now as it is. I love being with no other traffic on the road. It is useless to the forest service so they are loosing money if the fix it and loosing money if they tear it apart. I sure hope I draw a bethel tag. It will keep the lazy people out and make the hunting that much better.

So it's all about you huh? How about we close all roads by your mentality?

I did draw a big bull Bethel tag last year and the little rattlesnake road was great. In and out in 15 min to camp and if you have a trailer in there and it snows, it's the best safe way out. We were really wishing it was doable with a trailer but it was trucks only. It's barely even bad, the only thing bad was the dirt pile the *censored*es built. I will continue to drive that road until they decommission it to satisfy the greenies...

I came down 1501 Saturday,  2 rock slides now. One kinda big. Probably 4wd only now.

[washelkhunter]

Looking at the sat photos its hard to not agree with the FS decision to not keep this road open.

[Fish4Fun]

We all are entitled to our own opinions. If I want to access the top half, I will drive around to the top. It doesn't matter to me. The little rattlesnake is fun to bike and hike right now as it is. I love being with no other traffic on the road. It is useless to the forest service so they are loosing money if the fix it and loosing money if they tear it apart. I sure hope I draw a bethel tag. It will keep the lazy people out and make the hunting that much better.

So it's all about you huh? How about we close all roads by your mentality?

I did draw a big bull Bethel tag last year and the little rattlesnake road was great. In and out in 15 min to camp and if you have a trailer in there and it snows, it's the best safe way out. We were really wishing it was doable with a trailer but it was trucks only. It's barely even bad, the only thing bad was the dirt pile the *censored*es built. I will continue to drive that road until they decommission it to satisfy the greenies...

I came down 1501 Saturday,  2 rock slides now. One kinda big. Probably 4wd only now.

Have to agree, unless your truck is lifted a little plan on the bottom of the doors hitting a few rocks on that slide. 4 door F350 Ford 4X4 made it over  and a newer Chevy Crew Cab had to turn back due to no ground clearance.

[fastdam]

Part of United Nations Agenda 21, it falls in line with the "rewilding project". The feds and the state are on board.

[yakimanoob]

Don't be angry with him, guys. He's not the one who decided to shut it down. Besides, if it makes sense economically I really don't blame the Forest service. We complain all the time about wasted money and excessive government spending, yet when they do something like this to save money in the long run, people still complain. 


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Anybody have an update now that it's been closed a few years?  Think it actually saved any money?  Think it helped the elk?  USFS just published a new topo map in 2016, and in doing some planning for summer scouting, I noticed that the latest-and-greatest map still shows little rattlesnake rd as if it's open.  I guess those little road block symbols are hard to add...

 

[lord grizzly]

This is just another lockout of the public from public land.  We own that land! 

nothing said you cant still go in htat area did it? just cant drive in there. sounds like public can still access it all they want.

[Naches Sportsman]

There's roads on the map that have been gone 20+ years and show as still existing.

There's a nice trail being erected by the public up it. It actually is looking kind of nice seeing the creek take over again.

[arifleman]

I have hunted up there for years.  There was no more ecological damage occurring from that road than from any number of other forest service or state roads.  I don't know how long that road was there but my granddaddy used to drive it to elk camp and he's been dead for a couple decades now. 

This is just another example of Presidential priorities filtering down through the federal depts.  IIRC, the initial cost estimates for repair of this "100 year" flood damage on the 1501 rd was $50k; the cost of permanent closure and road bed removal was $500k.  I have no doubt it would have been a different priority and outcome under the current administration.

Don't let your government divide us on questions of access to our hunting and recreation areas.