quote author=WAcoueshunter link=topic=136075.msg1817148#msg1817148 date=1381439239]
I basically have no sheep experience, so looking for some guidance here...wouldn't they generally score better after they lose the lamb tips because the mass measurements get moved back up the horn and make up for the lost length?
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The measurements do get pushed back indeed. Mass measurements are derived from dividing the "Longer" horn into quarters. A shorter more broomed back or broken horn ram will therefore have incresed mass measurements. It is not very common to see a mature ram that is lamb tipped. Romulus nailed in his quote. There are a lot of rams that will die of old age and never reachnever be a 170+ There are others that will hit 170+ as a 4 1/2 year old. These are in areas that have the genetics to produce heavy horned rams with basal measuremtns meeting or exceeding 16"