Public service announcement: Small pups and Ecollars

[Stilly bay]

If you are going to take your puppy out to a pheasant release site or any  place that is full of new and confusing situations, I think it would be in your puppies best interest if you strapped the E collar around your own neck instead of his.
Then you could press that red button every time you call his name over and over again and you might just learn something and NOT screw your dog up in the process.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Bmcox86]

 

[Sportfury]

You were at Rochester then on Sunday.

Some dud(e) was in the trees yelling at his dog over and over again. That drives me more nuts than anything. If you can't control your dog you shouldn't be out with them period. It only ruins it for the rest of us.

[Happy Gilmore]

Nothing worse than the screamer. Always at high volume. Intentionally train quietly and when you use your voice loudly it has some meaning. Some folks just yell at their dogs all the time. You yell all the time you have nothing left when you need it.

I went hunting with a guy once who yelled non stop. Here, here, here, here, GOOD DOG, here, here, NO, no, no, Good dog, here, here, here all at high volume. .

All dog hears is blah, blah, no, blah, blah, blah, no, blah, blah, blah.....

[Houndhunter]

I yell at mine 

[Skyvalhunter]

Kind of like your kids right?

[Stilly bay]

You were at Rochester then on Sunday.

I was up North.

today some guy took his little three maybe four month pup out into the field to tag along with an older dog.

I was talking with another hunter when the little pup ran over to say hello to our dogs, then his owner started shouting after him and making him yelp with the Ecollar while the pup had no idea what was going on.

The way I saw it, that pup was busy being submissive to three older larger dogs that were interested in him and intimidating him and he probably completely lost track of where his owner was- not too mention that pup was way too young to wear an activated Ecollar in the first place.

[Happy Gilmore]

In the right hands many are started on e collar at 3-4 months with great success.

[Stilly bay]

In the right hands many are started on e collar at 3-4 months with great success.

Thats all well and good but this guy did not have the "right hands"

IMO 3 months is just too young, I don't care how right your hands are.

[Happy Gilmore]

In the right hands many are started on e collar at 3-4 months with great success.

Thats all well and good but this guy did not have the "right hands"

IMO 3 months is just too young, I don't care how right your hands are.

depends upon the dog, your training experience and your expectations of what level of performance you expect to achieve from training.

e-collar doesn't have to "burn" every push

[Heredoggydoggy]

Stilly Bay is right.  3 months is too young.  At that age the dog is seeing the world for the first time.  Exploring is natural and should not be discouraged as long as the pup's not in danger.

[JLS]

Some folks need to learn to put their pups in a position to succeed.  I'm starting a 4 month old pup right now, and would never think of taking him someplace chaotic to learn. 

I want somewhere that is relatively free of dangerous situations and distractions, other hunters, other dogs.  Too much for a pup to focus on and learn.

Maybe this guy needs to realize his e collar has other settings besides "orbit"?

[Special T]

Some folks need to learn to put their pups in a position to succeed.  I'm starting a 4 month old pup right now, and would never think of taking him someplace chaotic to learn. 

I want somewhere that is relatively free of dangerous situations and distractions, other hunters, other dogs.  Too much for a pup to focus on and learn.

Maybe this guy needs to realize his e collar has other settings besides "orbit"?

 

[Jonathan_S]

I've never ran bird dogs but it's hard to imagine a 3 month old pup being ready for anything but exploring and sniffing around.

Especially after training a few coonhounds and seeing how they are at 3 months   

[Stilly bay]

In the right hands many are started on e collar at 3-4 months with great success.

Thats all well and good but this guy did not have the "right hands"

IMO 3 months is just too young, I don't care how right your hands are.

depends upon the dog, your training experience and your expectations of what level of performance you expect to achieve from training.

e-collar doesn't have to "burn" every push

I will agree to disagree. IMO Even at 4 months a pup that is collar conditioned isn't collar conditioned enough.

Some folks need to learn to put their pups in a position to succeed.  I'm starting a 4 month old pup right now, and would never think of taking him someplace chaotic to learn. 

I want somewhere that is relatively free of dangerous situations and distractions, other hunters, other dogs.  Too much for a pup to focus on and learn.

Maybe this guy needs to realize his e collar has other settings besides "orbit"?

To this fellow's credit; at least he didn't bring the pup out at 8:00 am on a Saturday or Sunday.

I am all for exposing pups to new situations, that is exactly how they learn, but when you ad an ecollar into the mix it only ads to the confusion and chaos.
I don't care how big of a Pro you are and how well you think a pup is collar conditioned, at 3-4 months of age it isn't collar conditioned enough for the situation I described.

A lot of people get an Ecollar in their hands and forget all about the best training tool in the world - their legs!
 There is nothing wrong with chasing a dog down to get your point across. Or in yesterdays situation he could have just ran over and intervened to save the pup from a potential bite or shock therapy, but instead he just stood there like he was watching TV and flipping channels with the  Ecollar remote.