Using a "Butt Out", do you need to split pelvis? Skinning Question

[cowboycraig]

Initial skinning question.

Has anyone used a
http://www.basspro.com/Hunters-Specialties-Butt-Out-2-Big-Game-Dressing-Tool/product/94754/
?

Thinking this would get around splitting the pelvis when skinning.

Also does everyone split it? Do some people just "pull the last bit through"?

Thanks!
Craig

[JLS]

I rarely ever split the pelvis.  You can accomplish the entire gutting process without a saw rather easily.

Anymore, I rarely field dress unless I'm very close to the pickup.

[h20hunter]

Never used a butt out and don't even split the pelvis. Just get in there and get it done.

[cowboycraig]

Just get in there and get it done.

Good way to put it.

[pianoman9701]

Go gutless and don't even be concerned with the pelvis or innards until you're done and ready to get at the tenders, liver, and heart.

[Skillet]

Don't need it - just one more thing to carry. 

[Buckmark]

Save your money, you dont need it, dont need to split the pelvis either....gutting is really not that difficult to do.

[ICEMAN]

cowboy, just run a knife between the pooper and the pelvis a few times, then pull the pooper into the cavity. Works fine.

[Buckmark]

cowboy, just run a knife between the pooper and the pelvis a few times, then pull the pooper into the cavity. Works fine.

You said pooper... ....twice.....

[BULLBLASTER]

Save your money, you dont need it, dont need to split the pelvis either....gutting is really not that difficult to do.

it takes 2-4 minutes tops with only a knife to dress a deer. No need to split the pelvis either. I like my fishing filet knife or my havalon for gutting.

[ICEMAN]

cowboy, just run a knife between the pooper and the pelvis a few times, then pull the pooper into the cavity. Works fine.

You said pooper... ....twice.....

 

[Igottanewknee]

A very sharp fillet type knife, cut around the pooper (I'm only saying it once) as Iceman said, and it pulls right out.

[muzbuster]

I never split the pelvis, a long skinny blade knife is all that is needed.

[cowboycraig]

cowboy, just run a knife between the pooper and the pelvis a few times, then pull the pooper into the cavity. Works fine.

Good tip, thanks! You said Pooper lol

[Crunch14]

Yeah you don't NEED it, but I've used it a couple of times and really like it.  Slit the belly, insert Butt-Out, pull out poop-shoot, cut out butthole, tie a knot in the poop-shoot, pull poop-shoot from the inside.

Either wat no need to split the pelvis unless quartering.

[Bullkllr]

Grew up splitting the pelvis every time.

Tried it other ways, and I do think I can do a cleaner job with a split pelvis than without.

[Broken Arrow]

No idea...sorry. I go gutless.

[sakoshooter]

A Butt Out was the top present in our Christmas white elephant last year. I think I hurt myself laughing so hard.

[sirfunkeybut]

I've tried one once and it broke, like everyone else said, skinny knife around the hole works great.

[villageidiot]

Once somebody shows you how easy it is to split the pelvis you'll do it every time.  I've used my swiss army knife to gut a deer several times and it will split the pelvis.  The pelvis is not a solid bone, it is only connected by grissel and all you gotta do is find the high point pointing right at you and the skinny layer of grissel is right in the middle of that.  Once you get your knife right in the center of that you can work it in and dismember the two halves of the pelvis.  Once it's opened up it's way easier to pull out the bung hole without getting gut juices and poop all over everything.  Hogs, cows and deer are all the same although, I hadn't been successful splitting a big cow with my swiss army knife.  Butcher hogs are easy and deer are a snap once you find the right spot.  I had a friend that claimed to gut hundreds of deer and I watched him gut a hog.  He cut all the guts out fine then went up to the pelvis and whacked the bunghole off and left it in the hog right below the pelvis on the gutt side leaving about 8 linches of nasty drippey bunghole leaking all over.  He was offended when I corrected him politely but next time he did it right.  I've shown many a know it all hunters how to split the pelvis.   Take a shot, it's easy.

[Bullkllr]

 
and, I really like getting my meat out as clean as possible and in as big a pieces as possible (deer whole, elk quartered, is ideal). Certainly a place for gutless or boning, but if I can I like to get it to a location where I have more control over the conditions before slicing and dicing unless I have to.

[steen]

We never take the pooper out till we get to camp and skin the deer or if we hunt near home we wait till we get the deer home.

[Ridgeratt]

Why not just get a few zip ties and throw a loop in it and then pull it through?
Used to carry some box string like the stuff used in stores.   
All this new fangled stuff to carry.

If you don't have your Cell phone for a Youtube or your go-pro so you can video it just what to do?

[JJB11B]

Save your money, you dont need it, dont need to split the pelvis either....gutting is really not that difficult to do.

it takes 2-4 minutes tops with only a knife to dress a deer. No need to split the pelvis either. I like my fishing filet knife or my havalon for gutting.

YOU'RE FAST and I am slow. I remember Pathfinder101 pushing me out of the way becuase I was taking to long to gut a deer back in 2007

[Sitka_Blacktail]

cowboy, just run a knife between the pooper and the pelvis a few times, then pull the pooper into the cavity. Works fine.

I pull it the opposite way myself. Don't want the pooper touching any part of the inside. Same with the pee bag. I squeeze it to drain it making sure the drain hose is pointed where it won't get on the meat or hide, then pull it out with the bung hole. If I have a long or potentially dirty drag, I wait til I get the animal out and hung up to skin before I deal with that. I make a very small belly slit to get the guts out, just big enough to get both hands in. Then I reach in very carefully with my knife hand and cut the diaphragm away from the body cavity. Once I roll the guts out I reach in and cut the lungs loose. I don't do any throat cutting until I'm skinning the animal and pull the esophagus out then too. The less you expose, the cleaner your meat will be in the end.

[Mike450r]

Deer poop doesn't do squat to the meat.  Pee ain't real good for it and gut juice can sour it but a few nuggets bouncing around the cavity don't do nothing.   Recycled plant material is all it is.

[RadSav]

Never used a butt out and don't even split the pelvis. Just get in there and get it done.

My way of thinking too.  However, our WY guide was given a Butt Out a few years ago as a gag gift.  Everyone thought it was funny until he used it one day.  Now every one of his guides is required to carry one...And use it!!!  Only ever seen it used on antelope, however it works slicker than heck. I still don't think I will be buying one any time soon myself.  I tend to be stubborn.  Or so I've been told.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Deer poop doesn't do squat to the meat.  Pee ain't real good for it and gut juice can sour it but a few nuggets bouncing around the cavity don't do nothing.   Recycled plant material is all it is.

You obviously don't know anything about e-coli.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/5/01-0373_article.htm

[Bob33]

Deer poop doesn't do squat to the meat.  Pee ain't real good for it and gut juice can sour it but a few nuggets bouncing around the cavity don't do nothing.   Recycled plant material is all it is.

You obviously don't know anything about e-coli.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/5/01-0373_article.htm

Very low risk, and extremely low when proper precautions are taken.

"Although several reports document the presence of O157 in deer (4–6), only one report (4) has shown evidence of an O157 infection from eating venison."

"The abdominal gunshot wound increased the likelihood that intestinal contents initially contaminated the deer carcass. In addition, the extended time it took the deer to die, fecal contamination of the abdominal cavity, the warm day and mild evening temperatures, and the 2-day interval between deer kill and processing likely supported the dissemination and growth of O157 throughout the carcass. Lastly, a large quantity of undercooked venison tenderloin was eaten."

[JJB11B]

Deer poop doesn't do squat to the meat.  Pee ain't real good for it and gut juice can sour it but a few nuggets bouncing around the cavity don't do nothing.   Recycled plant material is all it is.

You obviously don't know anything about e-coli.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/5/01-0373_article.htm

Very low risk, and extremely low when proper precautions are taken.

"Although several reports document the presence of O157 in deer (4–6), only one report (4) has shown evidence of an O157 infection from eating venison."

"The abdominal gunshot wound increased the likelihood that intestinal contents initially contaminated the deer carcass. In addition, the extended time it took the deer to die, fecal contamination of the abdominal cavity, the warm day and mild evening temperatures, and the 2-day interval between deer kill and processing likely supported the dissemination and growth of O157 throughout the carcass. Lastly, a large quantity of undercooked venison tenderloin was eaten."

There you go with all that science and logic again!!

[RadSav]

There you go with all that science and logic again!!

Guys around here hate that whole logic and proven science stuff!  Opinion and supposition works much better around these parts 

[runningboard]

Once somebody shows you how easy it is to split the pelvis you'll do it every time.  I've used my swiss army knife to gut a deer several times and it will split the pelvis.  The pelvis is not a solid bone, it is only connected by grissel and all you gotta do is find the high point pointing right at you and the skinny layer of grissel is right in the middle of that.  Once you get your knife right in the center of that you can work it in and dismember the two halves of the pelvis.  Once it's opened up it's way easier to pull out the bung hole without getting gut juices and poop all over everything.  Hogs, cows and deer are all the same although, I hadn't been successful splitting a big cow with my swiss army knife.  Butcher hogs are easy and deer are a snap once you find the right spot.  I had a friend that claimed to gut hundreds of deer and I watched him gut a hog.  He cut all the guts out fine then went up to the pelvis and whacked the bunghole off and left it in the hog right below the pelvis on the gutt side leaving about 8 linches of nasty drippey bunghole leaking all over.  He was offended when I corrected him politely but next time he did it right.  I've shown many a know it all hunters how to split the pelvis.   Take a shot, it's easy.

it's called the pubic symphysis, to find it put your finger underneath the inside of the pelvis and you can feel the "middle" it will be a raised ridge that I have found, thru no scientific certainty so you don't need to educate me about it, that it gets smaller as the animal ages. I have split deer, elk & moose using nothing more than a 4"-5" knife, had a hell of time trying it with a bear though.

[JJB11B]

 

[wadu1]

A very sharp fillet type knife, cut around the pooper (I'm only saying it once) as Iceman said, and it pulls right out.

Perfect process have used this one for many years. I would love to use the "Butt Out" on some of the a$$es at work. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Deer poop doesn't do squat to the meat.  Pee ain't real good for it and gut juice can sour it but a few nuggets bouncing around the cavity don't do nothing.   Recycled plant material is all it is.

You obviously don't know anything about e-coli.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/5/01-0373_article.htm

Very low risk, and extremely low when proper precautions are taken.

"Although several reports document the presence of O157 in deer (4–6), only one report (4) has shown evidence of an O157 infection from eating venison."

"The abdominal gunshot wound increased the likelihood that intestinal contents initially contaminated the deer carcass. In addition, the extended time it took the deer to die, fecal contamination of the abdominal cavity, the warm day and mild evening temperatures, and the 2-day interval between deer kill and processing likely supported the dissemination and growth of O157 throughout the carcass. Lastly, a large quantity of undercooked venison tenderloin was eaten."

You're welcome to take your chances Bob. I'll do otherwise.  Rare? Maybe, but not unheard of by a long shot. In the Oregon case, they found e-coli in 10% of the samples tested. As long as it's present in a population, it can get worse.

http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2011/08/oregon_confirms_deer_droppings.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/e-coli-tainted-venison-kabobs-sicken-minn-students-1C6435997

http://www.ugacfs.org/hottopics/deer.html

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1202&context=natrespapers

[hillbilli]

I used to split the pelvis- i hated just cutting off the pooper from the guts- it just aint clean. Someone showed me a better way.. I do carry and use the "field dressing gloves"- plastic sleeves with rubber hand surgical gloves. When gutting- cut around the pooper, (only need to cut an inch or two in) then reach through from the gut side- hook it with your fingers and pull it out- no more busted or ripped bowel- no more deer pellets falling inside, clean, neat, quick.

[Fester]

The Hunter's Specialties BUTT OUT

Got it for X-mas a few years back when they first came out and I too laughed my (&*(& off and everytime I showed a hunter friend we would laugh all over again.
But tried it, and now the hole family and hunting partners and family uses it. Much cleaner and faster. I'm an old hunter and stuck in my ways but this darn thing really works. The guy that invented it must have had a sick mind or hated that part with a passion.
My Daughter got the Butt out 2 because she wanted to stay away from the bung hole as far as she could.

[Mike450r]

Deer poop doesn't do squat to the meat.  Pee ain't real good for it and gut juice can sour it but a few nuggets bouncing around the cavity don't do nothing.   Recycled plant material is all it is.

You obviously don't know anything about e-coli.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/5/01-0373_article.htm

I do know about e coli.  I remember the Oregon strawberry field story from a few years ago.  It is rare but best to take precaution.  I don't even think about it to be honest.  I was referring to it having an effect on meat quality as urine and gut juice is a bigger problem with tainting the meat in regards to flavor.

[BULLBLASTER]

Save your money, you dont need it, dont need to split the pelvis either....gutting is really not that difficult to do.

it takes 2-4 minutes tops with only a knife to dress a deer. No need to split the pelvis either. I like my fishing filet knife or my havalon for gutting.

YOU'RE FAST and I am slow. I remember Pathfinder101 pushing me out of the way becuase I was taking to long to gut a deer back in 2007

I've been known to take over for a few people.  its so hard for me too sit there and watch someone struggle at gutting. I'm not a very good teacher I guess... but I like it to be done quickly and thoroughly... I learned from watching my cousin who is very fast amd clean.

[Crunch14]

The best way to learn is to do it.  Patience with a newbie can be difficult, but it's fun to watch them get into it.  We hunted with a neighbor once (60 y/o) that had taken LOTS of animals.  When he got his deer he just stood there.  When we asked if he needed a knife his response was, "well whose going to gut it?".

We all said, you shot it you gut it.  It was his first time and he puked twice, either his mom or brother had always done it.

[Yondering]

Go gutless and don't even be concerned with the pelvis or innards until you're done and ready to get at the tenders, liver, and heart.

You guys talking about "gutless", are you meaning to split the hide down the back, and get the meat out without gutting? Are you doing this in the field, or bringing the whole deer back to camp first. If you do it in the field, do you just bring big ziploc bags for the meat, or

I've never done it that way on deer (works great for squirrels), but I'm leaning that way. I've always hated gutting, but have no problem with the butchering once the guts are gone.

How far down do you skin the carcass for this method, and do you split the hide at the back of the legs, or ??

[Broken Arrow]

Yondering. Here is a gutless method video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZsO4tsrKPw

[sakoshooter]

Splitting the pelvis in the woods just exposes the meat to dirt and leaves etc while dragging it out. Both legs will flop around wherever they want after the pelvis is split. The rectum can easily be removed without splitting it and even more so, don't even cut the skin from the hole to the stomach. Just cut around the rectum in as far as your knife will reach being careful not to cut the intestine walls. Hug the inside of the pelvic bone. Then just make a small incision in front of the penis and stop just short of the sternum. That's all the bigger hole anyone needs to remove everything. Now there is very little chance of getting the insides all dirty while transporting. Very simple.
After it's hung in camp or home, then open up the chest more so it cools more easily. The two butchers I've used over the years also tell me to leave the skin on a deer for as long as possible since it's form fitting and the best protection the meat has.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Splitting the pelvis in the woods just exposes the meat to dirt and leaves etc while dragging it out. Both legs will flop around wherever they want after the pelvis is split. The rectum can easily be removed without splitting it and even more so, don't even cut the skin from the hole to the stomach. Just cut around the rectum in as far as your knife will reach being careful not to cut the intestine walls. Hug the inside of the pelvic bone. Then just make a small incision in front of the penis and stop just short of the sternum. That's all the bigger hole anyone needs to remove everything. Now there is very little chance of getting the insides all dirty while transporting. Very simple.
After it's hung in camp or home, then open up the chest more so it cools more easily. The two butchers I've used over the years also tell me to leave the skin on a deer for as long as possible since it's form fitting and the best protection the meat has.

I'm with you all the way.

[Yondering]

Yondering. Here is a gutless method video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZsO4tsrKPw

Thanks!

[PolarBear]

Sphincter

[rasbo]

ok ok,all this pooper and sphincter talk has me excited to get out in the sage,rain has put off the harvest for a couple of days..woo hoo get a chance to hunt...I do it both ways,depends on the time I feel I have to get the critter out,I really like my animals whole{Not hole} when possible and prefere to split the pelvic bone,but either way does get it done just fine..good luck hope you all get a chance to do it 

[lokidog]

Splitting the pelvis in the woods just exposes the meat to dirt and leaves etc while dragging it out. Both legs will flop around wherever they want after the pelvis is split. The rectum can easily be removed without splitting it and even more so, don't even cut the skin from the hole to the stomach. Just cut around the rectum in as far as your knife will reach being careful not to cut the intestine walls. Hug the inside of the pelvic bone. Then just make a small incision in front of the penis and stop just short of the sternum. That's all the bigger hole anyone needs to remove everything. Now there is very little chance of getting the insides all dirty while transporting. Very simple.
After it's hung in camp or home, then open up the chest more so it cools more easily. The two butchers I've used over the years also tell me to leave the skin on a deer for as long as possible since it's form fitting and the best protection the meat has.

Yep.  And, as mentioned, a filet knife works great for cutting around the inside of the pelvis.  I didn't even say pooper... oops.   

[tjthebest]

Save your money, you dont need it, dont need to split the pelvis either....gutting is really not that difficult to do.

it takes 2-4 minutes tops with only a knife to dress a deer. No need to split the pelvis either. I like my fishing filet knife or my havalon for gutting.

YOU'RE FAST and I am slow. I remember Pathfinder101 pushing me out of the way becuase I was taking to long to gut a deer back in 2007

I've been known to take over for a few people.  its so hard for me too sit there and watch someone struggle at gutting. I'm not a very good teacher I guess... but I like it to be done quickly and thoroughly... I learned from watching my cousin who is very fast amd clean.

One year me and my brother both shot deer at the same time (1.2.3 shoot!, i shot on 3 and he shot on shoot, but thats another story...) My dad was telling us that this was the year that we were going to gut our deer by our selves for the first time. Well me and my brother both started and not 2 minutes later he literally kicked us both out of the way and gut them himself. He couldn't stand how slow we were going lol..