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Re: Longer slender bullets vs Fatter bullets
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2013, 02:49:04 PM »
if i shoot a ballistic gelatin block with a .270, a .30-06, and an 8mm mauser.. you will find that the wider, fatter bullet will expand to a greter diameter, and cut a slightly wider hole. the bullet designs are the same, often the velocities are the same. a longer narrower bullet will often have a higher ballistic coeficient- which means it is more efficient going through the air- and keeps its velocity better. A 150gr .27 or .28 caliber bullet of similar design will have a higher BC than 150gr .30 or .32 (like the 8mm).. and thus will keep its velocity longer. In spite of these differences- as long as you are shooting something in the .30-06 class of cartridges- there is not a deer of elk that can live on the difference between a .270, a .280, a .30-06, etc.. once you are in this class of power- and are using decent bullets- and can place them- the differences are pretty small.
   Someone mentioned Bell shoting elephants with the 7x57, but that is a little different- as he was shooting about a 173gr roundnose full metal jacket.. and the one of the first things he did when he got to africa was pay someone to cut an elephant skull in half- so he knew exactly where that volleyball sized brain was. He knew that a smallbore heavy for caliber hardnosed bullets penetrated enough to kill about anything- with less recoil, etc than the big calibers- as long as they were placed properly. (but thats a bot of an aside from out discussion of deer and elk bullets-unless you are going to start head shooting them with FMJ)
 

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Re: Longer slender bullets vs Fatter bullets
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2013, 02:57:33 PM »
Elmer had no use for Jack OConner or the 270. Both great men.
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Big men and big bore guys usually did not have much use for the small framed O'Conner.  Especially when his success with the .270 went against everything they preached.  I'm looking forward to reading up more on Elmer.
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Re: Longer slender bullets vs Fatter bullets
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2013, 11:15:34 AM »
if i shoot a ballistic gelatin block with a .270, a .30-06, and an 8mm mauser.. you will find that the wider, fatter bullet will expand to a greter diameter, and cut a slightly wider hole. the bullet designs are the same, often the velocities are the same. a longer narrower bullet will often have a higher ballistic coeficient- which means it is more efficient going through the air- and keeps its velocity better. A 150gr .27 or .28 caliber bullet of similar design will have a higher BC than 150gr .30 or .32 (like the 8mm).. and thus will keep its velocity longer. In spite of these differences- as long as you are shooting something in the .30-06 class of cartridges- there is not a deer of elk that can live on the difference between a .270, a .280, a .30-06, etc.. once you are in this class of power- and are using decent bullets- and can place them- the differences are pretty small.
   Someone mentioned Bell shoting elephants with the 7x57, but that is a little different- as he was shooting about a 173gr roundnose full metal jacket.. and the one of the first things he did when he got to africa was pay someone to cut an elephant skull in half- so he knew exactly where that volleyball sized brain was. He knew that a smallbore heavy for caliber hardnosed bullets penetrated enough to kill about anything- with less recoil, etc than the big calibers- as long as they were placed properly. (but thats a bot of an aside from out discussion of deer and elk bullets-unless you are going to start head shooting them with FMJ)
 

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Re: Longer slender bullets vs Fatter bullets
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2013, 04:12:54 PM »
 :) Most of the Bell stories I read talk about shooting thru the lungs or heart at10- 20 feet , then sitting down and wait to hear them fall. :chuckle:
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Re: Longer slender bullets vs Fatter bullets
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2013, 12:49:47 PM »
:) Most of the Bell stories I read talk about shooting thru the lungs or heart at10- 20 feet , then sitting down and wait to hear them fall. :chuckle:
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