2pts galore

[kramman]

Was in the 204 for muzzle  saw 2pts everyday a couple I couldntbelive didn't have a 3rd. Do away with pt restrictions or make it 2 pt or better. I absolutely believe the 3pt restrictions have affectedthe gene pool .

[Jonathan_S]

I have to laugh at this thread. Not because I think you guys are wrong when it comes to antler restrictions, but because elsewhere on the site guys are hot to trot about the 4 pt restriction in 117 and 121.

I've been told over and over that antler restrictions can't or won't change the gene makeup of a herd, but the proof is in the pudding.

Oh c'mon.  You can't seriously think that whitetails could ever be bred to not grow 4 points. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Oh c'mon.  You can't seriously think that whitetails could ever be bred to not grow 4 points.

Did you think mule deer could?

[buckfvr]

Oh c'mon.  You can't seriously think that whitetails could ever be bred to not grow 4 points.

Did you think mule deer could?

How about science to support that ?  I think its because there are so many more young bucks since they arent being harvested, and then you throw in a few on the down side......

[boneaddict]

Big difference between now and 20 years ago.....no internet forumthen to whine and complain about it. LOL

Two points have been around since life.   You see only groups of 2 points because as Phool stated, everything else was shot!   Now imagine no regulations...then you wouldn't see anything.

Genetics....are 50/50.    Damn all those does packing 2 point genes.  Better kill them all too.


I do think to optimize thing they should have two point permits just like they do in other states.  I bet there would be someone on here willing to drop another 8 bucks to apply for that tag.

Compairing mule deer to whitetails  REALLY?

[boneaddict]

Havent really been back out since then but I'm sure they are still there

Probably a good 30% of them aren't because of all the idiots blasting at whatever they see

[Sitka_Blacktail]

The science is, whatever gives an animal a chance to survive will be passed to it's progeny, be it coloring, antler size or conformation, fight or flight response, ability to digest certain foods, size, migration habits, sense of smell, and on and on. Being the biggest cause of death of most deer and elk populations,especially the bucks and bulls, is hunters, I'd say yes, hunters taking only certain antler conformations can change the conformation of the herd as a whole. If it gives them a survival edge and an edge passing on their genes, then it will happen.

[boneaddict]

and you suggest that the average muledeer is born with 2 points and 2 points only and that all these three and 4 points were just that when they hit the ground, and that possible that herd of 6 two points will grow nothing but two points for the rest of their lives.   

[boneaddict]

or could it be skewed because of age.......   There is more probablility that those 6 two points will be branched next year than they will still be a slick 2. 

YES, its not optimal, because if one of those is a slick 2, he might spread his genes, mixing 50/50 with a doe, that is if he isn't hit by a car, die of disease, eating by a cat, eatin by a wolf or killed because some lazy SOB slob hunter shoots a rack, because it just has to have a point.     If all that happens(he survives).....he might make another baby 2 point and dang it, the world will come to an end.   

the solution.......KILL THEM ALL or possibly add another statistic in there that might resolve the possible problem.  Say another permit, or youth or senior hunt.   

[Sitka_Blacktail]

and you suggest that the average muledeer is born with 2 points and 2 points only and that all these three and 4 points were just that when they hit the ground, and that possible that herd of 6 two points will grow nothing but two points for the rest of their lives.

I suggest nothing of the kind. I suggest that hunting only a certain conformation of antler can make a different conformation dominant in a herd.

[boneaddict]

In that way of thinking, maybe we should end all permit hunts.  ALL the Big Bucks are going to be killed.  Eventually there will be statistically no reason for a big antlered deer to survive.   Every year in November, in each unit, the crème is killed off.    Through a few incentive tags, govenors tag, raffle tag.   Its like Christmas tree hunting.  All the perfect trees are harvested.   Now what.   Would that be a reasonable worry?

[Timberstalker]

or could it be skewed because of age.......   There is more probablility that those 6 two points will be branched next year than they will still be a slick 2. 

YES, its not optimal, because if one of those is a slick 2, he might spread his genes, mixing 50/50 with a doe, that is if he isn't hit by a car, die of disease, eating by a cat, eatin by a wolf or killed because some lazy SOB slob hunter shoots a rack, because it just has to have a point.     If all that happens(he survives).....he might make another baby 2 point and dang it, the world will come to an end.   

the solution.......KILL THEM ALL or possibly add another statistic in there that might resolve the possible problem.  Say another permit, or youth or senior hunt.

This is classic......Wow

[boneaddict]

over the top?

[buckfvr]

And that would be the fastest evolution in history........mule first, whitetail next......damned evolution............

[CHUCK S]

we counted 22 different 2 points in 133.  Couple of them are 4-5 yr old deer.  Antlers are wider than they're ears and really tall.  I bet they weighed over 225 lbs also.  Just really BIG deer with no eye guards even.