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[The100Road]

This topic reminds me if those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store? 


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true that.

[Becky]

This is an interesting news story I seen the other day... I know it has nothing to do with hunting, and is in the UK, HOWEVER... it's sort of fitting to the people saying "why turn non-hunters into anti-hunters by parading visuals they don't want to see.. unless it's the only choice".

I am not advocating either way is right or wrong, I don't have enough experience, but stories like this really open my eyes to seeing how much a single voice can change the ways laws/policies are made and written so it's just food for thought:

Posters for a circus were removed from a town after a woman with a CLOWN phobia told council officials the pictures terrified her.

Officials at Leighton Buzzard Town Council said it took down adverts for John Lawson’s Circus after one complaint - in a town of 28,000 people.

A female resident told the authority she has coulrophobia - a fear of clowns - and the posters were scaring her whenever she drove past them.

The council removed all the posters and told the circus they would only be able to perform there again if they promised not to use clowns on their promotional material.

Council operations officer Lisa Jarvis said: “We take complaints on a case by case basis but this was a short-term, easily solvable problem."

But circus owner and ringmaster John Lawson said: “I think it’s absolutely ridiculous. There’s about 28,000 people in Leighton Buzzard, and our posters get taken down because of one person.

“What does she do when she drives past McDonalds, I wonder? It’s victimization.

“We don’t know who it is, but if we did, we’d gladly offer her tickets to come and see that our performance to show that our friendly clown is nothing to be scared of.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/circus-posters-taken-down-after-2467736

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465972/Circus-ordered-posters-ONE-complaint-woman-scared-clowns.html

[Buckmark]

This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.

I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.

So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?

Interesting way to put it, but i have to ask Dale,
Is displaying the dead carcass of an animal on the roof of  our vehicle, with an open body cavity and the open hind end to anyone and everyone in the best interest to our sport?
Is tying the head of an animal complete with the tongue hanging out we killed to our front bumper or winch and heading down the highway in the best interest of our sport.
Sometimes we can be our own worse enemies...
*
Its true that in our minds some of us don't care what others think of us, there opinion of us wont change no matter what we do. But how we conduct ourselves to people who are not pro or con should matter as those people may have the power one day to make a decision that does effect our sport and the actions we take may have an effect further down the road.
You only get one chance to make a good first impression...

[pianoman9701]

This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?

There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!

[Becky]

This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.

I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.

So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?

Interesting way to put it, but i have to ask Dale,
Is displaying the dead carcass of an animal on the roof of  our vehicle, with an open body cavity and the open hind end to anyone and everyone in the best interest to our sport?
Is tieing the head of an animal complete with the tongue hanging out we killed to our front bumper or winch and heading down the highway in the best interest of our sport.
Sometimes we can be our own worse enemies...
*
Its true that in our minds some of us dont care what others think of us, there opinion of us wont change no matter what we do. But how we conduct ourselves to people who are not pro or con should matter as those people may have the power one dayto make a decision that does affect our sport and the actions we take may have an effect further down the road.
You only get one chance to make a good first impression...

When Smossy and I took hunter's ed recently, they specifically said against doing any of that and to be "respectful to the animal". They showed us a video in class that some anti-hunters had made at a game check station (video was from the 80s I think and I can't remember if it was in WA or not). It focused specifically on all of those sights and hunter's high-fiving eachother and having blood and guts all over their vehicle and tongues hanging out as they're tied to the hood etc. ... it looked like the original Sarah Mclaughlin animal cruelty commercials where she's crying over the abused animals; super slow zoom into the faces and tongues of the deer and everything. I can't remember what they said about it or what was brought about FROM that video, but they said it was a very effective back in the day to turn others against hunting.

[bobcat]

This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?

There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!

I agree. And I do feel sorry for those chickens. But I still eat chicken. Although I would prefer to eat a steady diet of grouse if it were possible.


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[Elkrunner]

We always display them and see how many thumbs up versus the middle finger we get.

[bearpaw]

This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?

There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!

I have to ask, how do you know the chickens are suffering?

I honestly think you are assuming they are suffering since you would not like to be in a cage that size.

Have you considered that some of your houseplants are more confined than those chickens?

Have you considered that possibly your house plants and the chickens do not know any different and that the house plant is just happy getting watered once a week and the chickens are just happy getting fed each day?

Could it be that humans are affected with Disney syndrome and simply assuming things about other animals raised for consumption based on their own feelings about how they want to live?

I think that very possibly those chickens know no different. They are raised in a small area, fed regularly, perhaps they are perfectly content until they are given a quick death without prolonged suffering and put in the meat department of your local grocery store.

[bearpaw]

This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.

I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.

So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?

Interesting way to put it, but i have to ask Dale,
Is displaying the dead carcass of an animal on the roof of  our vehicle, with an open body cavity and the open hind end to anyone and everyone in the best interest to our sport?
Is tying the head of an animal complete with the tongue hanging out we killed to our front bumper or winch and heading down the highway in the best interest of our sport.
Sometimes we can be our own worse enemies...
*
Its true that in our minds some of us don't care what others think of us, there opinion of us wont change no matter what we do. But how we conduct ourselves to people who are not pro or con should matter as those people may have the power one day to make a decision that does effect our sport and the actions we take may have an effect further down the road.
You only get one chance to make a good first impression...

I'm simply not sure that hiding our sport is in our best interest, I don't know, neither do you.

If we hide our kills will we get more votes in favor of keeping hunting?

Can you actually change the minds of anyone by hiding our sport?

I would suggest that we may need more exposure! Perhaps a buck on the hood is not the best first time exposure that we could provide to a non-hunter, but I doubt that it will be the demise of our sport. Perhaps the fact that most people quit displaying their animals has created an environment that has conditioned people to dislike seeing a dead animal. Perhaps hunters would all be better off and more accepted if all hunters displayed all their kills?

Just posing the questions, I don't know, but that is a possibility.

[pianoman9701]

This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?

There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!

I have to ask, how do you know the chickens are suffering?

I honestly think you are assuming they are suffering since you would not like to be in a cage that size.

Have you considered that some of your houseplants are more confined than those chickens?

Have you considered that possibly your house plants and the chickens do not know any different and that the house plant is just happy getting watered once a week and the chickens are just happy getting fed each day?

Could it be that humans are affected with Disney syndrome and simply assuming things about other animals raised for consumption based on their own feelings about how they want to live?

I think that very possibly those chickens know no different. They are raised in a small area, fed regularly, perhaps they are perfectly content until they are given a quick death without prolonged suffering and put in the meat department of your local grocery store.

I don't know, but it's not got anything to do with Disney. They do have an incredibly high mortality rate - something like 30%. Would you transport you dogs like that - no room to move and exposed to the elements regardless of the weather? No? Why not? Because you give a crap about your dogs. Like I said, I still eat the chickens. I'm just not under the impression that they're treated at all well. And no, I don't believe houseplants and animals are the same. Not sure why you're coming after me, Dale.  But this thread has definitely been jacked from the OP.

[pianoman9701]

This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?

There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!

I agree. And I do feel sorry for those chickens. But I still eat chicken. Although I would prefer to eat a steady diet of grouse if it were possible.


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That's all I'm saying. I'm definitely not going over to the animal rights wackos.

[Mike450r]

We always display them and see how many thumbs up versus the middle finger we get.

I tend to think what if seeing something like this was the catalyst for an initiative happy Peta member to get a petition going and get a hunting ban on the ballot?  And then commercials showing elk heads tied to front bumpers and bucks strapped to cartops was enough to start to sway non hunters to the side of anti hunters.  I highly doubt it would pass but would give them a baseline on how many more voters they need to sway in their favor the next time.

Just me but I don't feel the need to display my trophy anywhere except where it will be properly admired and appreciated.  Non hunters are the majority of voters but anti hunters are not.  Why do anything that may change that?

[bobcat]

I don't think we should be "displaying" them, but I also see no need to try to hide them. It should be a good thing for the general non-hunting public to see us traveling back home with a deer or elk that will feed our families. I think strapping a head on the front or somewhere else just to show off a trophy is offensive to many people, and probably even some hunters.


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[runamuk]

This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.

I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.

So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?

NO

I used to think we should but we live in a world where it takes shock and awe and in your face to make progress.  Look at the open carry movement getting more and more visible and holding their ground and recruiting more people who may have been on the fence.  If hunters promote the benefits of the sport and stop calling it a sport and refer to it as a use of human instincts that are part of our biology, we are hunter gatherers, that morphed into an agrarian society.  Use more anthropology and less defensiveness we could make more headway.  Hunting coincides with the movement toward paleo diets, non gmo foods, and the entire back to whole unprocessed foods movement, many of the treehugging bunny lickers as you call them would be on your side if you promote hunting from a different angle.  How do I know this because i do it every day in an art department at a university and even a vegan prof could see the merit when I explained it on an anthropological biological basis.

[hillbillyhunting]

This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?

There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!

I have to ask, how do you know the chickens are suffering?

I honestly think you are assuming they are suffering since you would not like to be in a cage that size.

Have you considered that some of your houseplants are more confined than those chickens?

Have you considered that possibly your house plants and the chickens do not know any different and that the house plant is just happy getting watered once a week and the chickens are just happy getting fed each day?

Could it be that humans are affected with Disney syndrome and simply assuming things about other animals raised for consumption based on their own feelings about how they want to live?

I think that very possibly those chickens know no different. They are raised in a small area, fed regularly, perhaps they are perfectly content until they are given a quick death without prolonged suffering and put in the meat department of your local grocery store.

I agree with you bearpaw.  To me it is more about how my food will be affected by their large scale opperation and associated treatment of animals (antibiotics, hormones, etc).