I-90 Car top Buck

[h20hunter]

Nobody is saying hide. All anyone is saying is conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful to those around you. Bone showed the perfect example.........he sure isn't hiding anything yet he is conducting himself in a respectful manner.

Respectful?? Thats a broad term with antis or even those in the middle.   

So.  Try this

You and your wife are holding hands walking down a street.  Some gays find that offensive.  Fact!!  So do you choose to not hold your wifes hand??

Answer: No, I don't stop holding her hand. However, I don't make out in an overtly sexual manner.

Same goes for a mixed racial couple, do you just not go out in public???

Answer: No, they don't stay home. Not related at all.

Some people want to ban diesels, so do we leave the diesel parked in a driveway??

Answer: No, but you wouldn't sit in a parking lot next to somebody talking on the phone revving it.

No matter what people will find an issue with anything we do As hunters, anything..

So answer the above questions??? Now, tell me Im wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of my truck because, MAYBE someone finds it offensive!!!!

You are wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of your truck IF YOU COULD OTHER WISE MAKE AN EFFOR TO CONCEAL IT not BECAUSE somebody may find it offensive but because it is simply the courteous (sp?) thing to do.

Pink panties boys. Pink panties!!! Man up and quit playing into their hands and let them dictate what you do!!!

Answer: I don't let them dictate what I do but I sure try and be respectfull of others that I wish to be respectfull to me.

If it was that bad? Why is it not illegal???

Answer: It isn't illegal or bad....it is just in bad taste.

This is an issue about class and commen sense. If you have some or none of either then you will never "get it".

Then you are of course just another carrot hugger.

[runamuk]

RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it......
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.

Ha ha.  No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone...  You me or anyone else will not change that.  They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..

Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!

Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...

Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...

Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide?

Why why why?

Why I voted to ban bear baiting and hound hunting.....I was uneducated about the reality of it, it was portrayed as cruel and unfair and unethical.....and the people for it acted like uneducated a-holios, kinda like the spotted owl and logger debate when the idiot on the loggers side made the ridiculous vw bug human breeding comment.  Like I said I dont care and when i hear people get upset by seeing it I take the time to explain it from a more liberal point of view, its a healthy natural thing for a homo sapien to do, its also beneficial because we are part of the food chain anthropologically we are hunter gatherers.  I dont say because its my right to kill animals because that just sounds defensive and abrasive.  But I am someone who has been on the other side so my views are probably unwanted.  Plus it get stated time and again you wont change anyones mind so i must not be anyone, my mind was changed too bad it came too late to save 2 forms of hunting I now understand and would like to try

[tbrady]

Nobody is saying hide. All anyone is saying is conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful to those around you. Bone showed the perfect example.........he sure isn't hiding anything yet he is conducting himself in a respectful manner.

Respectful?? Thats a broad term with antis or even those in the middle.   

So.  Try this

You and your wife are holding hands walking down a street.  Some gays find that offensive.  Fact!!  So do you choose to not hold your wifes hand??

Same goes for a mixed racial couple, do you just not go out in public???

Some people want to ban diesels, so do we leave the diesel parked in a driveway??

No matter what people will find an issue with anything we do As hunters, anything..

So answer the above questions??? Now, tell me Im wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of my truck because, MAYBE someone finds it offensive!!!!

Pink panties boys. Pink panties!!! Man up and quit playing into their hands and let them dictate what you do!!!

If it was that bad? Why is it not illegal???

You're absolutely wrong in my opinion.  You keep using analogies regarding issues that are fundamental civil rights of which hunting is NOT.  The middle sees hunting as ok but not the hunters.  From your remarks it seems you could care less what anyone thinks of hunters.  I think that is a huge mistake.  I care deeply about what other people think of hunters, mainly because as a group we are viewed in a very bad light. 

[Bob33]

"My mind was changed".

That about sums it up for me.

[Buckmark]

RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it......
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.

Ha ha.  No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone...  You me or anyone else will not change that.  They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..

Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!

Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...

Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...

Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide?

Why why why?

I never said hunters will out number non hunters, but doing what we can to not increase the anti hunting numbers is paramont to our way of life.... and by your way of thinking and actions you may very well do more harm than good. But you don't see that......

I never stated any facts, so mine are straight (not hiding in any closet), i am quite aware of why baiting and hound hunting was banned and how the opposition achevied there agenda.
Anti hunters do not like the killing part and use that as a catalyist for there cause. Non hunters, those who do not oppose hunting are for the most part smart enough to understand that killing comes with hunting, but they may not want to see it in any form including slaughter houses, My neighbors sure enjoy the beef i give them but dont want to come down to the pasture when the kill truck pulls up...

Never hid a thing, i proudly display antlers so they are visible from my vehicle, i also display them in my home and are clearly visible with my curtians open to all my neighbors etc, but i dont hang a deer or elk in my front tree to skin it....

Singular yes, you speak in terms of "you" and "I" which is singular, you said " I could care less".

No one said that as a group we should hide, or hide what we do, no one thinks the animals die of natural causes and we just pick them up like windfall apples, we do stand up for our beliefs, this thread proves it, we are standing up for our continuted privilage to hunt without interference from non hunters bynot making them into antihunters through means we can control.....
The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of a Few...
 

[rtspring]

RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it......
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.

Ha ha.  No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone...  You me or anyone else will not change that.  They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..

Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!

Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...

Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...

Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide?

Why why why?

Drama queen much? Actually RT, by making sure that you present your hunting passion in a manner that is acceptable to the public at large, you ARE standing up for your beliefs and supporting your privilege to hunt. By sabotaging your hunting passion by refusing to see that 86% of the population doesn't experience hunting as we do, you are abandoning your passion of hunting to obstinance/stubornness. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that our hunting privileges depend on the approval of others, not us?

I introduce a great number of non hunters to hunting every year! I think I do my part to show others what hunting is about.  86%. You nor me will ever get that number on our side.  Thats a lost cause...  Truly if we keep worrying about what others perceive hunting to be, we better start using paint guns..  We KILL animals, they will never be on our side until we can no longer KILL their precious wildlife..

Thats the point

[h20hunter]

Fair enough....toot your horn all you wish......introduce a hundred new people to the sport.

Then, when you drive home with a bloody animal on display you will turn 1000 against it.

[boneaddict]

A big campaign about banning hound hunting and trapping was to shove it into the face of folks that "were on the fence"...non hunters, but not anti hunting.    They smeared them by using videos and such of folks that didn't care about image.     One of the more famous was of a pack of hounds shredding a small bear to pieces and to death and of course some gruesome trapping stuff.  Some idiot had to film it, and thought it was a brilliant thing to share with their friends and next thing you know.    I have been on enough hound hunts and have trapped enough to know what happens and how to interpret it.  It can certainly play on THE EMOTIONS of those other folks and that's all it takes.

[boneaddict]

Exactly what I was trying to say Run, sorry, so many comments in a row while I was typing.

[JLS]

Fair enough....toot your horn all you wish......introduce a hundred new people to the sport.

Then, when you drive home with a bloody animal on display you will turn 1000 against it.

Nailed it.

[baldopepper]

Couple of things I've learned over the years to not say:
1) "That will never happen"
2)  "That will never happen to me"
I've eaten those words more times than I care to count.

[pianoman9701]

RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it......
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.

Ha ha.  No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone...  You me or anyone else will not change that.  They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..

Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!

Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...

Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...

Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide?

Why why why?

Drama queen much? Actually RT, by making sure that you present your hunting passion in a manner that is acceptable to the public at large, you ARE standing up for your beliefs and supporting your privilege to hunt. By sabotaging your hunting passion by refusing to see that 86% of the population doesn't experience hunting as we do, you are abandoning your passion of hunting to obstinance/stubornness. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that our hunting privileges depend on the approval of others, not us?

I introduce a great number of non hunters to hunting every year! I think I do my part to show others what hunting is about.  86%. You nor me will ever get that number on our side.  Thats a lost cause...  Truly if we keep worrying about what others perceive hunting to be, we better start using paint guns..  We KILL animals, they will never be on our side until we can no longer KILL their precious wildlife..

Thats the point

I actually see what you're saying and I think you're confused. The 86% I was talking about DO support hunting. The statements you've made indicate you don't think they do. That's the whole point here. You seem to be saying that because they don't hunt, they don't support it. That's absolutely incorrect. We know statistically that these people support our hunting privileges even though they don't participate in them. All I'm saying is that we want them to continue to support us. We do that by making sure they understand what we're about and that what we're doing is ethical and shows respect for the game we pursue.

Run stated the reasons why she formerly opposed baiting and hounding. And those reasons include the fact that the hunters presented their side in a very poor and uncaring way. We do care about our wildlife and hopefully, respeect the wildlife we pursue. Our goal must be to convey that care and respect to the 86%.

[bradslam]

Quote by Bearpaw:  "Would you consider the chicken to have more rights than the houseplant? I see the house plant as an equal to a chicken, it has just as much right to life as the chicken in my mind."

That is absolutely ridiculous.  So apparently, torturing a chicken would be okay.  If, for instance, your kid went around cutting off the legs of chickens, it wouldn't set off some alarm bells?  That type of behavior could land someone in jail, as it should. I'm sorry, but a chicken is a living animal with a brain and is not the same as a plant.  That is almost as ludicrous, on the other extreme, as Ingrid Newkirk's quote about "a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."

That's not what I said, you know that I said nothing about torturing anything. 

We will just have to disagree, I think the carrot has just as much right to life as the chicken but the simple fact is that both will eventually become food for another living creature. 

Just trying to illustrate that there is a difference between plants and animals, even if they are chickens.  Yes, we may have the legal right to kill an animal, but there is also a legal and ethical expectation on how that animal is treated while it is alive and how it is dispatched.  This is why you are able to euthanize your dog, but you could go to jail or, at the very least, have it taken away from you, if you mistreat it while it is under your care.   As hunters, I believe we should have a certain reverance for game animals and treat them with respect, both before and after they are harvested.

[Buckmark]

Quote from RT: I introduce a great number of non hunters to hunting every year! I think I do my part to show others what hunting is about.  86%. You nor me will ever get that number on our side.  Thats a lost cause...  Truly if we keep worrying about what others perceive hunting to be, we better start using paint guns..  We KILL animals, they will never be on our side until we can no longer KILL their precious wildlife..

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If we don't worry about the preception of hunting and hunters to the 86% that DO NOT oppose hunting and do our part to tunr them against it then yes we will be using paint guns.
No on ever said we dont kill animals or hide that fact, the non hunting public that are not antihunting know that killing is part of our sport, does not mean they want to see it or the outcome in its full open view...The nonhunting but supoortive public do not want to take away our privelage...yet...till they see something that does not sit well with them, whether we like it or not....
Pictures and mental images go further than words ever will.....shock and awe...
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But we know, you dont care, its your "right" and you will do what you wish and f'em all if they don't like it. And then they will f you and you will be crying about it all the while not realizing you played and important role in swaying the opinion of the non hunter towards the antihunting crowd...
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Thats it for now, got to go and get my pink panties out of the drier...

[Odell]

boneaddict's photos really put this whole discussion into a perspective that most people should be able to understand. The real issue is the presentation, if done in a reasonable manner reasonable people should not be offended. If paraded on the front bumper or hood then some may be disgusted and you will get the kind of response that some of you worry about. 

Agreed. There is a huge difference between a rack with wrapped skull and a entire carcass. Planning for success should be part of hunting. If you have no room to transport a deer, you haven't planned very well. Personally I try to bring home my meat boned out already and its all in a cooler on ice. Not hard to do, especially with deer.