15 shot shell limit HQ?

[MC37493]

I always thought there was a 15 shot shell limit at HQ but some one was telling me today that there is not one and i should have brought all my shells with me as i told him i ran out of shells while out, is there a 15 shot limit there? i read the regs and it says the south fork to freewater slough this includes hq wouldn't it?

[Oldguy]

Only the "Farmed Island" is under the restriction.

 

[h2ofowlr]

Only the "Farmed Island" is under the restriction.

Only the farmed island as mentioned.  Other 15 shot restriction area would be quality hunt units and Samish unit.

[MC37493]

was there today and almost got a ticket from the friendly warden it is a 15 shell limit, he said that hq is part of the "farmed island" since its from the south fork of skagit

[h2ofowlr]

was there today and almost got a ticket from the friendly warden it is a 15 shell limit, he said that hq is part of the "farmed island" since its from the south fork of skagit

The game warden needs to read the regs or they need to change them and post it as a restriction of 15 shells then.  Who was the game warden?  There are several new ones and they are still learning the regs as well. 

I think they are more apt to write tickets for what they don't know and shift the burden on you and the judge. 

[h2ofowlr]

Best advise one can get is read the state and federal regs on waterfowl hunting then find all the info you can on that spot.  You can head into the offices at HQ and they may also be able to help you.  On the hunting island it is clearly marked at each location about a 15 shell restriction.  At HQ it is not posted and not in the regs.  If they posted it, it would be from this season.  I was down their again yesterday and didn't see any signs for it.  If someone knows something different or say they recently changed those rules, please post.

[Netminder01]

Best advise one can get is read the state and federal regs on waterfowl hunting then find all the info you can on that spot.  You can head into the offices at HQ and they may also be able to help you.  On the hunting island it is clearly marked at each location about a 15 shell restriction.  At HQ it is not posted and not in the regs.  If they posted it, it would be from this season.  I was down their again yesterday and didn't see any signs for it.  If someone knows something different or say they recently changed those rules, please post.

H20 - doesn't seem like a change in the regs, right?  That would seem way over the top for HQ and surrounding waterways.

[aaronoto]

From this year's regs on 15 shell limit areas. 

Section 1. The farmed island segment of the Skagit Wildlife Area, between the south fork of the Skagit River and Fresh Water Slough in Skagit County.

HQ is west of, so all should be good.  Should at least....

[MC37493]

Hey everyone i was back up there today and met a guy up there and we read the reg description then looked at the map they had there right before you walk in on the dike and it is not 15 shell like you have all been saying, what the hell kinda world is it when i cant believe a warden when i ask them a question about the laws regarding what there supposed to be enforcing, i believe his last name was Langerhans? i dont know for sure though as i was not really looking for it and just assumed that the game warden knew what he was talking about guess not.. he was a younger guy and so was the warden he was with.

[h2ofowlr]

Just remember how many regs their are between fishing, waterfowl, big game etc.  no one in their right mind can know all the rules.  In due time and time spent in the field the wardens will learn the many laws of the area.  They always seem to place the burden on the hunter, fisher etc.  I imagine the non confrontational questions they ask and how you respond either escalates further questions or de-escalates them.  This is how they are trained.  If you don't know and they think they know, you may get a ticket or warning.  It's at there discretion.  When I see them, I try to ask them lots of questions.  I usually am referred to one of the offices and a specific contact to speak with.  Not always, but frequently.  Rich Phillips over sees the local state guys and may have answers for questions.  The first time I met him, he came across as a hard a**, but I later talked to him "out" of uniform and was very pleasant.

[RadSav]

They probably brought one of the Duvall guys up there to patrol.  Those guys just make up the rules as they go.  And don't bother filing a complaint.  Duvall guys are immune to harassment charges.

[MC37493]

That is very true the regs are confusing

[netcoyote]

I think they are more apt to write tickets for what they don't know and shift the burden on you and the judge.

I think this is becoming a trend with more and more LEO's these days. I experienced encounter that included this method. It' easier on the LEO, they don't have to think much, it brings in revenue and puts the burden of proof on the citizen rather than for them to use discretion. It's also expensive if you really aren't guilty of an "alleged" offense and don't want to have something on your record.

[LndShrk]

Hey everyone i was back up there today and met a guy up there and we read the reg description then looked at the map they had there right before you walk in on the dike and it is not 15 shell like you have all been saying, what the hell kinda world is it when i cant believe a warden when i ask them a question about the laws regarding what there supposed to be enforcing, i believe his last name was Langerhans? i dont know for sure though as i was not really looking for it and just assumed that the game warden knew what he was talking about guess not.. he was a younger guy and so was the warden he was with.

More importantly WTH kinda world is it becoming when you  need more than 15 shells to kill 7 ducks.. 

[full choke]

Hey everyone i was back up there today and met a guy up there and we read the reg description then looked at the map they had there right before you walk in on the dike and it is not 15 shell like you have all been saying, what the hell kinda world is it when i cant believe a warden when i ask them a question about the laws regarding what there supposed to be enforcing, i believe his last name was Langerhans? i dont know for sure though as i was not really looking for it and just assumed that the game warden knew what he was talking about guess not.. he was a younger guy and so was the warden he was with.

More importantly WTH kinda world is it becoming when you  need more than 15 shells to kill 7 ducks.. 

I think its the new generation. I do not know how many times I have seen/spoken to new guys in waterfowling who ask "Do you think three boxes of 3 1/2's will be enough today?". If you are doing it right, 15 shells over decoys is all you need.