Bullet performance on deer.. Graphic photo, I'll pull it if there are complaints

[JackOfAllTrades]

I could'a maybe put this in the deer section but it seems to be loaded with this years hunting success. I'm aiming this more at reloader/hunters anyway.  As long as I've reloaded (more than 25 years), Hunted.. (more than 35 years), I've been quite successful with various handgun bullets from 44mag. My own lead pours also for pistol. Bulk packaged Remington CoreLokts, along with other rifle cartridge Speer and Sierra spitzers and boat tails. Hornady InterLock, and Nosler Partition too. I have never reloaded or fired so called 'premium' from Barnes, Swift, Asquare and such as I have been very happy with the accuracy I've been able to develope with said 'not premium' bullets.  So, this year after having been informed that the Nosler Balistic Tip bullets had a jacket re-design a few years ago I worked up loads with RL19 and 4350 in four rifles, (Marlin XL7 in .270, Two Tikka T3's in 30-06, my Ruger 30-338 and oh yeah, my 03-A3 in 30-06) to sub moa accuracy from each barrel. (Ok.. the 03-A3 shot'm a tad over moa. Expected since that barrel has thousands of rounds through it.) Anyway.. I shot a decent Mule deer this season from the 30-338. Muzzel velocity for the 180gn bullet was 3,100fps ish..  Impact at deer hide was ~85yds. ~2,925fps.  No bones hit. -Maybe a bit of the shoulder plate toward the rear. That's mostly cartilage. The bullet exploded the right lung. Exploded the top of the heart. I did not find one bullet fragment when field dressing or skinning. Bullet did not exit.  I can tell you from experience that any of the forementioned bullets would have expanded and retained more than 65%, maybe even 80% of total weight, or would have been a through and through shot at that distance at that velocity. I don't mind two holes for a buck to bleed from! I don't mind a bullet that penitrates, expands, and does the necessary damage to vital life sustaining organs to put him down in a humane quick action when I decide to pull the trigger.
 
Now, I know there will be the nay'sayers about the CoreLokts or WinSilverTips. Even those that don't like Speer or Sierra bullets, but I have had great success with them. I know there are a lot of people that will stand by Nosler Partitions.  My request in this post is to hear from the Accubond shooters that load not only for ultimate accuracy, but ultimate payload deliverance and effective quality of the Accubond bullets at closer than anticipated ranges. Lets face it, we load our magnums for long range shooting, but I've been fortunate enough to take game at distances where I nearly wished I had my darn 30-30 in my hands instead. 
 
The following is the ENTRANCE wound.  Yes, I can put my hand through. No exit. More meat damage than I anticipated.
 

[madcow41]

That's some carnage... I shot mine with a 300 WM and didn't do nearly that amount of damage to the shoulder. I am also a lung shot guy

[BOWHUNTER45]

Which bullet was this ? a lot of gun for a deer    Shoulder shots on deer usually do a lot of damage ...when a bullet hits bone its like a grenade going off ! Hornaday Interloc ...problem solved 

[bobcat]

I'd say you were a little too close and the velocity a little too high for that Ballistic Tip. Should have been shooting a Barnes tsx. Or an Accubond, or similar. I definitely wouldn't use a Ballistic tip out of a cartridge that pushes them out over 3000 fps. I once shot an antelope at 320 yards with a 150 grain Ballistip Tip out of a 270 Winchester. Bullet blew up and not even a fragment reached the far side of the body cavity. This was a broadside shot behind the shoulder and it just barely clipped a rib going in.

The Ballistic Tip are very accurate out of my A Bolt, but I'm looking to load up some Accubonds for next year. Only problem is, they aren't available anywhere. The only bullets I've found that anyone has in stock, ARE the Ballistic Tips.

[JackOfAllTrades]

Which bullet was this ? a lot of gun for a deer    Shoulder shots on deer usually do a lot of damage ...when a bullet hits bone its like a grenade going off ! Hornaday Interloc ...problem solved 

True, a lot of gun for deer, but where I hunt I could have an 85yd shot or a 500yd shot. Make note, no real bone hit. I have also had good perforance from the 190 Hornady Interlock.
 
-Steve

[carpsniperg2]

I am one of the biggest accubond fan's out there. My buddy at nosler got me to start shooting them and I never thought I would step away from partitions. I still run them and the etip in a few guns but most are fed with accubonds. I have a prime picture of just what you asked for. I have shot animals from 40 yards to 550 yards with the accubond. I will see if I can get it up here.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I may need to suck up on my my pride and load some accubonds ....you guys talk to highly of them .....Be something different for me to talk about besides Wasp and Hornaday    I need to show ya my wifes buck ..shot with a 7mm 08 and 120 SST ... Did not hurt much meat ....but the rib cage 

[JackOfAllTrades]

Carp,  please tell your buddy at Nosler that the tapered jacket of the BT bullets for big game might be better if it wasn't tapered. I would think that it would be more 'like' the accubond, but not have the properties of the different alloy or base of the accubond. -They'd probably sell more BT's in the long run if it performed a little different.
 
http://www.nosler.com/ballistic-tip
 
http://www.nosler.com/accubond
 
-Steve

[JackOfAllTrades]

i'm a cheap ole bastage..  I've never wanted to spend the money on the Accubonds vs others that I can get for nearly half the price of them.
 
-Steve

[carpsniperg2]

"My request in this post is to hear from the Accubond shooters that load not only for ultimate accuracy, but ultimate payload deliverance and effective quality of the Accubond bullets at closer than anticipated ranges"

Hear you go Steve. This fits your request to the t! 340wby my long range rifle. I have taken  it to cali 3 times to shoot a boar at long range and all my shots have been under 100 yards Figures LOL. 225g accubond running at 2900fps. This hog broke from cover at 75 yards and ran across a skidder trail. I made a snap shot on it at full bore run.  It was at a quarter away angle from me and the bullet when threw the ribs at the back of the lungs and out the other shoulder. The hog rolled down about 50 yards but was dead on impact. I think I could have put both my hands threw it.

[JackOfAllTrades]

Yet again, I think that's more meat damage than I've ever had from a CoreLokt, Partition or InterLock. Through and through holes shouldn't be that big -at any distance.
 
-Steve

[carpsniperg2]

Don't get me wrong I had my brother kill a core lock. My wife and sister in law killed 3 deer with combined techs. Then of course a few died from accubonds. I think friends/family and clients killed deer with 6 different bullets. So I use the cheap bullets sometimes to I like the ct's but they are going threw as much bone as the accubonds and coming a part a lot more. They shoot great and kill great so they will stick around.

[carpsniperg2]

I have had some nasty ones from corelokt's and partitons. I don't mind losing a few ounces more of meat. The killing power is what gets me to keep shooting them. They all can be accurate. I have had more deer run after remingtons then any other bullet I have used/been used in family/friends and clients rifles. They just seem to go even with great shots. Mind you I don't mind a 30 yard death run or so but when you hunt canyons that can be a problem 30 yards on there feet may mean hundreds of yards down into hell holes

[csaaphill]

not squimish so no problems here but damn! any meat left?

[BOWHUNTER45]

Check this out ...my wifes deer ...7mm 08 with a 120 gr SST ... No lost meat but it did a number on the ribs .....