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Re: Bad Situation
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2013, 10:43:03 PM »
This sounds like the first shot left the wad in the choke causing the blow-up. It's quite common. I've seen it at gun clubs I've belonged to over the years either by reloads and even w/factory shells and out hunting. It happens. Most times the shooter or someone next to them realizes the situation and stops the shooter before he/she fires a second shot. Be conscious of this as it DOES happen and could to any of us.
Kent shells: Been shooting them for many years. Great patterning shells. I've had 'duds' from Winchester, Federal and Remington shells besides Kent. Had them from my own reloads too. If you shoot enough, it's going to happen. Pay attention.
I had a Winchester shell shoot the entire plastic hull down the barrel on a Skagit hunt one day. Separated from the brass. It sounded funny so I didn't shoot again. Had to whittle a branch to fit the barrel and drove thru the barrel, driving out the shell with a hammer. Costed me most of the morning but saved my gun.
Taking shells out in the duck marsh time and time again can result in left over shells that have seen a few trips in very wet conditions and can result in 'duds'.
I bought a 1/2" copper pipe filled with lead (fishing weight)(halibut jig maybe) from Sportco a few years back and keep it in my blind bag. Cut the split rings off it and iied a small bright colored cord to the end for finding in the mud after dropping thru the barrel.  Perfect for dropping down the barrel to remove obstructions.
Bottom line - pay attention.

 :yeah:
However, it wasnt the first shot that lodged. It was the second.

If you're positive of that, I'd venture to say that the bolt wasn't closed all the way. With the obvious pressure from the second shot that broke the  forearm, there should have been plenty of pressure to make the wad clear the barrel.
How do you know for sure that the 1st shot's wad cleared the barrel? Just asking.
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Re: Bad Situation
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2013, 10:56:02 PM »
Glad your ok  :tup: 
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Re: Bad Situation
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2013, 03:37:50 PM »
This sounds like the first shot left the wad in the choke causing the blow-up. It's quite common. I've seen it at gun clubs I've belonged to over the years either by reloads and even w/factory shells and out hunting. It happens. Most times the shooter or someone next to them realizes the situation and stops the shooter before he/she fires a second shot. Be conscious of this as it DOES happen and could to any of us.
Kent shells: Been shooting them for many years. Great patterning shells. I've had 'duds' from Winchester, Federal and Remington shells besides Kent. Had them from my own reloads too. If you shoot enough, it's going to happen. Pay attention.
I had a Winchester shell shoot the entire plastic hull down the barrel on a Skagit hunt one day. Separated from the brass. It sounded funny so I didn't shoot again. Had to whittle a branch to fit the barrel and drove thru the barrel, driving out the shell with a hammer. Costed me most of the morning but saved my gun.
Taking shells out in the duck marsh time and time again can result in left over shells that have seen a few trips in very wet conditions and can result in 'duds'.
I bought a 1/2" copper pipe filled with lead (fishing weight)(halibut jig maybe) from Sportco a few years back and keep it in my blind bag. Cut the split rings off it and iied a small bright colored cord to the end for finding in the mud after dropping thru the barrel.  Perfect for dropping down the barrel to remove obstructions.
Bottom line - pay attention.

 :yeah:
However, it wasnt the first shot that lodged. It was the second.

If you're positive of that, I'd venture to say that the bolt wasn't closed all the way. With the obvious pressure from the second shot that broke the  forearm, there should have been plenty of pressure to make the wad clear the barrel.
How do you know for sure that the 1st shot's wad cleared the barrel? Just asking.

Not only am I positive of that but I just got the results of the testing done at the factory. It was a 2 shell failure. 1st shell hull seperated from the brass and some of the brass got stuck in the chamber, while the hull got stuck in my barrel. When I went to chamber and shoot the next round, it naturally caught the hull and other parts and blew it out the side of my gun. The wad and pellets all went out the side from the second shell!! I am glad I still have all my parts! So, all in all it was a failure of the first shell that caused the bad situation. Having said that, KENT has been nothing but gracious and good to me. They have made it all better by reimbursing me plus some. Other than what happened, I could not have asked for a better company to deal with.

Just got a new stoeger M3500 semi. First semi I have owned, shouldered like a benelli, fit me perfect, and was in my price range. Cant wait to get out there and slay some ducks with it. Off to Clarkston tho for a late second deer archery first. Might hunt the snake while Im there tho.

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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2013, 04:06:22 PM »
Very scary.  Waterfowl hunting is dangerous enough without weapon failures.  We should all take a sobering second to remind ourselves that coming home safe is the most important part of a great day hunting.  Gotta count our blessings everytime.

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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2013, 05:02:38 PM »
so... just curious....
but what did you do with the old gun?
Do you still have it for parts?
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Re: Bad Situation
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2013, 07:47:10 PM »
This sounds like the first shot left the wad in the choke causing the blow-up. It's quite common. I've seen it at gun clubs I've belonged to over the years either by reloads and even w/factory shells and out hunting. It happens. Most times the shooter or someone next to them realizes the situation and stops the shooter before he/she fires a second shot. Be conscious of this as it DOES happen and could to any of us.
Kent shells: Been shooting them for many years. Great patterning shells. I've had 'duds' from Winchester, Federal and Remington shells besides Kent. Had them from my own reloads too. If you shoot enough, it's going to happen. Pay attention.
I had a Winchester shell shoot the entire plastic hull down the barrel on a Skagit hunt one day. Separated from the brass. It sounded funny so I didn't shoot again. Had to whittle a branch to fit the barrel and drove thru the barrel, driving out the shell with a hammer. Costed me most of the morning but saved my gun.
Taking shells out in the duck marsh time and time again can result in left over shells that have seen a few trips in very wet conditions and can result in 'duds'.
I bought a 1/2" copper pipe filled with lead (fishing weight)(halibut jig maybe) from Sportco a few years back and keep it in my blind bag. Cut the split rings off it and iied a small bright colored cord to the end for finding in the mud after dropping thru the barrel.  Perfect for dropping down the barrel to remove obstructions.
Bottom line - pay attention.

 :yeah:
However, it wasnt the first shot that lodged. It was the second.

If you're positive of that, I'd venture to say that the bolt wasn't closed all the way. With the obvious pressure from the second shot that broke the  forearm, there should have been plenty of pressure to make the wad clear the barrel.
How do you know for sure that the 1st shot's wad cleared the barrel? Just asking.

Not only am I positive of that but I just got the results of the testing done at the factory. It was a 2 shell failure. 1st shell hull seperated from the brass and some of the brass got stuck in the chamber, while the hull got stuck in my barrel. When I went to chamber and shoot the next round, it naturally caught the hull and other parts and blew it out the side of my gun. The wad and pellets all went out the side from the second shell!! I am glad I still have all my parts! So, all in all it was a failure of the first shell that caused the bad situation. Having said that, KENT has been nothing but gracious and good to me. They have made it all better by reimbursing me plus some. Other than what happened, I could not have asked for a better company to deal with.

Just got a new stoeger M3500 semi. First semi I have owned, shouldered like a benelli, fit me perfect, and was in my price range. Cant wait to get out there and slay some ducks with it. Off to Clarkston tho for a late second deer archery first. Might hunt the snake while Im there tho.

Per your testing results: How did the second shell chamber? Or didn't it chamber all the way? Just curious because it shouldn't have fired if it wasn't completely chambered. If it chambered all the way, you'd have no way of knowing the previous shell was defective.
When I had that Winchester shell shoot it's plastic hull into the barrel, I contacted Winchester about it. They sent me a coupon for a box of shells. Better than a sharp stick in the eye but given the situation that I relayed to them in my letter I expected more.
Glad you didn't get hurt and got it taken care of. Hard to beat good customer service. It's very scarce these days.
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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2013, 09:02:14 PM »
Almost looks as if the lug didn't fully engauge and that may have been additional reasoning for the blow out.  Forward motion may have stopped and allowed it to fire, but their may have been a gap.  Luckily it didn't damage you.  I had the similar happen with paper trap loads over the summer.  I shot the first round and the second went in tight, but I just slammed it forward and when I pulled the trigger it blew out the side.  Didn't damage the gun.  I was also shooting 1,120 fps vs. 1,550 w/ a 1oz load.  That may have been the saving grace.
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Re: Bad Situation
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2013, 01:36:15 PM »
glad to hear you are ok and moving forward. i had problems with kent loads and will not use them anymore. i have friends that swear by them and have nevber had a problem. with as many as they pump out, there are going to be bad ones in the lot. glad to see you are still after it. hope that was an oil experience. good luck, shoot straight
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Last bad batch was a box of Hevi-Steel.  Several in the box either had no powder or no shot, Crimps were very concave. 
I wrote the manufacture and sent photos and never heard a word back from them.  They are still sitting on my bench as a reminder to check all shells before taking them afield.
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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2013, 03:20:14 PM »
Glad it all got worked out!
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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2013, 09:48:38 PM »
Almost looks as if the lug didn't fully engauge and that may have been additional reasoning for the blow out.  Forward motion may have stopped and allowed it to fire, but their may have been a gap.  Luckily it didn't damage you.  I had the similar happen with paper trap loads over the summer.  I shot the first round and the second went in tight, but I just slammed it forward and when I pulled the trigger it blew out the side.  Didn't damage the gun.  I was also shooting 1,120 fps vs. 1,550 w/ a 1oz load.  That may have been the saving grace.

This is not the shells fault is it? Most of this post is blaming Kent Cartridge Co but bad shells but if the gun fired without the bolt being fully closed and locked, it's the guns fault or the shooters fault for: Not cleaning it good enough, getting debris in the action/bolt etc while in the field..............
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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2013, 08:43:08 AM »
Almost looks as if the lug didn't fully engauge and that may have been additional reasoning for the blow out.  Forward motion may have stopped and allowed it to fire, but their may have been a gap.  Luckily it didn't damage you.  I had the similar happen with paper trap loads over the summer.  I shot the first round and the second went in tight, but I just slammed it forward and when I pulled the trigger it blew out the side.  Didn't damage the gun.  I was also shooting 1,120 fps vs. 1,550 w/ a 1oz load.  That may have been the saving grace.

This is not the shells fault is it? Most of this post is blaming Kent Cartridge Co but bad shells but if the gun fired without the bolt being fully closed and locked, it's the guns fault or the shooters fault for: Not cleaning it good enough, getting debris in the action/bolt etc while in the field..............

Kent was a great company to deal with and I will get their shells again.  If I had Known exactly what happened with the first shell, or whether or not the gun went all the way forward, we probably wouldnt be having this conversation. In the end, I am just glad I am safe. I cleaned the gun before the trip. There was no debris in the gun.

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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2013, 01:26:45 PM »
The debris I'm referring to would be from the 1st shell hntrspud.
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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2013, 02:15:06 PM »
What choke you have in your gun ... Full Mod or Impr . ? I heard of this happening with someone using steel shot with a full choke ....that's crazy ,,,glad your ok !

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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2013, 02:34:51 PM »
Choke wouldn't have affected it. I've shot literally thousands of steel loads thru a full choke. I've even shot them thru a tight 'turkey constriction' choke.
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Re: Bad Situation**RESULTS IN!!**
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2013, 09:33:00 AM »
The debris I'm referring to would be from the 1st shell hntrspud.

Gotcha! I assumed when I shouldnt have.  :tup:

 


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