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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2013, 08:42:19 PM »
What are you using for a bag?

This is the mattress I have been using in the cold after a recommendation by Actionshooter. It works very good in the cold.

http://www.amazon.com/Exped-DownMat-Pump-Sleeping-Pad/dp/B0038WRMVW

If I use the NorthFace Snowshoe with the REI Stratos inflatable mat, (R3.8 and weighs less than a pound.) in temps around zero degrees, I get cold hips. Everything else is just fine. I'm certainly warm, but I get sore hips. (I literally have no fat on my hips and sleep on my side) I don't blame the sleeping bag at all. I believe that the issue is that I need to insulate from the ground better when the ground is frozen.  Like you point out a better sleeping pad...  I never had this issue with any bag if I used my hammock.  I tested a couple of combinations that only add a few ounces to my pack. A section of closed cell foam under my mid section takes care of the cold hips.  I also tested an older synthetic bag with a super light liner bag with that extra foam to success in the cold. -That tells me I can ditch the Snowshoe that zips on the wrong side and is too long for me anyway.
 
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Steve, ever try the coldweather sleep outs with standard foam backpacking sleep mats? We swear by them, put two under you... An added advantage to these is that you can sit on them around a fire, or around on sharp edges and not destroy them. I am convinced airmats over cold ground do not work well, especially when you compress heavy at the hips and shoulders, almost no insulative value left when you compress them.
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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2013, 08:53:28 PM »
When I'm camping in snow that is too deep to shovel away from my bed, I sleep on a 8" foam pad from JoAnn's fabric store   :chuckle:
 
It's bulky but I can get it rolled up enough to pack in and out.  Nice dense foam that keeps the chill away.  I've used a 15 degree marmot bag in sub-zero temps doing this  :tup:
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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2013, 11:02:23 PM »

Steve, ever try the coldweather sleep outs with standard foam backpacking sleep mats?

Well, that's what I cut for my mid section. Just part of a backpacking sleep mat.

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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2013, 11:15:40 PM »
What are you using for a bag?

This is the mattress I have been using in the cold after a recommendation by Actionshooter. It works very good in the cold.

http://www.amazon.com/Exped-DownMat-Pump-Sleeping-Pad/dp/B0038WRMVW

If I use the NorthFace Snowshoe with the REI Stratos inflatable mat, (R3.8 and weighs less than a pound.) in temps around zero degrees, I get cold hips. Everything else is just fine. I'm certainly warm, but I get sore hips. (I literally have no fat on my hips and sleep on my side) I don't blame the sleeping bag at all. I believe that the issue is that I need to insulate from the ground better when the ground is frozen.  Like you point out a better sleeping pad...  I never had this issue with any bag if I used my hammock.  I tested a couple of combinations that only add a few ounces to my pack. A section of closed cell foam under my mid section takes care of the cold hips.  I also tested an older synthetic bag with a super light liner bag with that extra foam to success in the cold. -That tells me I can ditch the Snowshoe that zips on the wrong side and is too long for me anyway.
 
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Steve, ever try the coldweather sleep outs with standard foam backpacking sleep mats? We swear by them, put two under you... An added advantage to these is that you can sit on them around a fire, or around on sharp edges and not destroy them. I am convinced airmats over cold ground do not work well, especially when you compress heavy at the hips and shoulders, almost no insulative value left when you compress them.

If it gets into the negative temps I have used a foam Thermarest under my Exped downmat,  But I use a -20 REI expedition bag though, its kinda like sleeping in a furnace. :)

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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2013, 11:39:51 PM »
I've tested my goose down mummy bag enclosed with a Goretex bivy sack on top of a thermarest pad in weather ranging from freezing rain on the deck to single digits in a tent on Rainier, to snow caves and igloos and have been warm every time. Essential to staying warm is staying dry. In the field it means keeping back up clothes dry until time to climb in the bag.
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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2014, 07:39:38 AM »
gave the new sleeping bag a good run last night. wouldnt say i was toasty warm, but i definitely wasnt cold. just wore base layers and a light stocking hat.

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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2014, 11:14:39 AM »
gave the new sleeping bag a good run last night. wouldnt say i was toasty warm, but i definitely wasnt cold. just wore base layers and a light stocking hat.

There ya go!  Wind chill temps have been single digits at my place for four days now. It's a great time to test gear. Sleeping bags and tents set up with no wind deflectors. Winds have been steady 20+ with a few gusts to 40 over the last few days. Now is time to test to be sure your gear will keep you warm, and stay put/all-together, before you really need it in the high country when an unexpected storm hits.
 
 
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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2014, 11:39:36 AM »

There ya go!  Wind chill temps have been single digits at my place for four days now.
 
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thermometer said 11, noaa said 12, and when i left for work, my car said 15. id say bag is pretty true to temp. i usually sleep cold.

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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2014, 11:53:04 AM »

There ya go!  Wind chill temps have been single digits at my place for four days now.
 
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thermometer said 11, noaa said 12, and when i left for work, my car said 15. id say bag is pretty true to temp. i usually sleep cold.

My Marmot Sawtooth is pretty true also.  It's a 15 degree bag, and I've slept in it down to +10 with a beanie and a base layer.  Like you, I wasn't roasting, but I was comfortable enough to sleep.

I put my new Sitka Jetstream through the wringer last week, and it performed very well.  I am very impressed with these coats.
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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2014, 12:44:11 PM »
I have a new Camo Columbia Omni-Shield Omni-Heat coat that seems to keep me very warm out in this wind.
 
My home weather station says it's pretty chilly outside.
 
 
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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2014, 09:38:33 AM »
Went out two weeks ago and did some gear testing. I'm not sure if the hammock is the right piece for backpack hunting, but the sleeping bag is perfect. Could easily do away with your puffy jacket for August and most September trips.

http://www.exped.com/usa/en/blog/snow-camping-hammocks

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Re: NOW is the time to test your gear!
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2014, 08:51:38 PM »
I used a net hammock for years of hunting and backpacking. I've switched to a lightweight tent. Hmm... Not add the puffy down jacket during the high hunt? I've done the opposite. New down vest for those chilly mornings and just in case a weather system blows in.

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