Ethics?

[vandeman17]

I have done that with teals too where I will line up two or three to shoot with one shot. I rarely shoot at teals but like to get a few early in the year to use to work with the dogs throughout the season and the next year. Nice being able to shoot one shell and get a couple birds.

You are missing out..  IMO one of the best eating ducks out there. 

They do eat good and I am not opposed to shooting a few on slower days but I enjoy trying to work mallards, gaddys and other bigger puddlers. It is pretty fun to shoot at teals when they bomb through your spread though.

[singleshot12]

If it's a single duck then that's just fine for a (sitting)head shot. Too many hunters like to go in at opening and shoot for the blackest area of birds in a flock.sure they get a few birds in 3 shots.but how many do they put pellets in that get away? more than are retrieved I'm sure.

[Brad Harshman]

"I think you are way off basis with this notion that having a goal of killing a limit some how equates to skybusting, baiting, and trespassing. Quite frankly none of those things have anything to do with having a goal of killing a limit of birds. "

Then why would people bait, skybust, or tresspass?  Why does this happen so often?  Its NOT because they want to enjoy their hunt by mastering their craft.  ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KILL AS MANY BIRDS AS POSSIBLE. 

If I'm wrong please enlighten me as to what motivates people to cross the line.

I know it wasn't you claiming to do whatever it takes to kill as many birds as possible lndshark, I'm not attacking you I'm trying to inspire discussion.  But its your thread on "Ethics"

[vandeman17]

Then why would people bait, skybust, or tresspass?  Why does this happen so often?  Its NOT because they want to enjoy their hunt by mastering their craft.  ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KILL AS MANY BIRDS AS POSSIBLE. 

I don't agree at all. I think people do the things above because they are lazy and don't want to put in the work to do it the right way. Just because I want to go out and shoot a limit of birds, does that make me less of an ethical hunter? You seem to have a pretty high and mighty attitude about it and think that because people choose other legal ways to harvest their birds that they are inferior in their skills and ethics to you.

[singleshot12]

If I'm wrong please enlighten me as to what motivates people to cross the line.

I'll answer what i think motivates people to cross the line and that is simply greed and for the need to feel prestiges.

[JamesK.]

I would shoot them wherever they are that is safe and with the least amount of shells as possible with the cost of shells so high.

Well said IMO


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[bobcat]

Well let's see, here's a question- what's more ethical, to shoot a running deer at 300 yards or a deer standing still at 100 yards?

[deltaops]

I like this article.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2012/11/ethics-question-shooting-ducks-water

[LndShrk]

"I think you are way off basis with this notion that having a goal of killing a limit some how equates to skybusting, baiting, and trespassing. Quite frankly none of those things have anything to do with having a goal of killing a limit of birds. "

Then why would people bait, skybust, or tresspass?  Why does this happen so often?  Its NOT because they want to enjoy their hunt by mastering their craft.  ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KILL AS MANY BIRDS AS POSSIBLE. 

If I'm wrong please enlighten me as to what motivates people to cross the line.

I know it wasn't you claiming to do whatever it takes to kill as many birds as possible lndshark, I'm not attacking you I'm trying to inspire discussion.  But its your thread on "Ethics"

Not my thread I was just commenting. 

I can think of many things that drive people to cross the line. But someone already mentioned the most prominent IMHO it is  laziness. People that do not want to put the time in to learn how to call and fool their quarry into range etc. I am going to bet that most of the group you are categorizing does not even know what the limits are.. 
 

[deltaops]

"I think you are way off basis with this notion that having a goal of killing a limit some how equates to skybusting, baiting, and trespassing. Quite frankly none of those things have anything to do with having a goal of killing a limit of birds. "

Then why would people bait, skybust, or tresspass?  Why does this happen so often?  Its NOT because they want to enjoy their hunt by mastering their craft.  ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KILL AS MANY BIRDS AS POSSIBLE. 

If I'm wrong please enlighten me as to what motivates people to cross the line.

I know it wasn't you claiming to do whatever it takes to kill as many birds as possible lndshark, I'm not attacking you I'm trying to inspire discussion.  But its your thread on "Ethics"

Not my thread I was just commenting. 

I can think of many things that drive people to cross the line. But someone already mentioned the most prominent IMHO it is  laziness. People that do not want to put the time in to learn how to call and fool their quarry into range etc. I am going to bet that most of the group you are categorizing does not even know what the limits are.. 

If I am breathing to hard when I get to a good spot, that is my limit!
If my dog is still a sleep after making coffee and having my first cup, that is my limit.
If the neoprene vest is frozen, that is my limit.
If the lake/pond is frozen, that is my limit.
When I grab the whistle and shotgun and the dog doesn't go crazy, that is my limit. Hasn't happened yet. 

Sorry had to add some humor in this to break up the monotony. Carry on

[irishevox]

Ok i was asking... in ya'll's opnion was it ethical... to take a Goose just standing there... not moving... or to shoot ducks in water... not flying.... this thred kind jumped off topic

[vandeman17]

Ok i was asking... in ya'll's opnion was it ethical... to take a Goose just standing there... not moving... or to shoot ducks in water... not flying.... this thred kind jumped off topic

I don't see anything wrong with it as long as your are confident in the shot and can make a quick kill. A dead duck that flew in tastes the same as a duck you shoot off the water. 

[Jonathan_S]

Well let's see, here's a question- what's more ethical, to shoot a running deer at 300 yards or a deer standing still at 100 yards?

I wont shoot a deer that's not running.  Just my personal preference.  I don't think it's ethical to shoot a deer that is unaware of my presence.   

[BigGoonTuna]

i don't think it's unethical to shoot a sitting duck or goose as long as you can make a clean kill of it.  i've had ducks land in my decoys when i haven't been paying attention, i figure if i can get close enough for a shot it doesn't matter too much if it's swimming or taking off...still both a lot easier shots than one going over your head at 50mph.

that said, i've never killed a grouse on the ground.  most people don't have any problem sluicing a grouse, and neither do i, but i can never get them to sit still long enough

[Jonathan_S]

i don't think it's unethical to shoot a sitting duck or goose as long as you can make a clean kill of it.  i've had ducks land in my decoys when i haven't been paying attention, i figure if i can get close enough for a shot it doesn't matter too much if it's swimming or taking off...still both a lot easier shots than one going over your head at 50mph.

that said, i've never killed a grouse on the ground.  most people don't have any problem sluicing a grouse, and neither do i, but i can never get them to sit still long enough

I am no waterfowl expert and don't even go anymore but I never understood the enormous rifts in waterfowling.  I always wanted them to commit but sometimes they didn't so I would sneak up on sitting ducks sometimes   

I can hardly get a grouse to fly   

Although I did shoot one on the fly with a Mark III this fall.  Haters gonna hate