after season toxic broadhead review.

[dylanb]

Well I started this season so excited to try out the toxic broadheads. I can defiantly say im am disappointed. Sunday right before dark a spike and doe came out. Figured the spike looked real tasty so I decided to take him. 35 yard complete pass threw. I did hit alittle back. Liver and maybe back of the  lungs. Backed out and waited 30 minutes to find arrow and blood trail. Didmt even start bleeding for 40 yards or more. Followed his tracks. Blood finally showed up but really really small drops. (Quarter size) every 5 or so feet. Marked last blood and called 3 of my buddies to help track. Looked for 4 or more hours that night. Lost blood so started walking down every trail. Then did circles. Came back in the morning looked for about 5 more hours with 3 of us. No deer. Everyone in my group is stumped...

[lokidog]

Might not be the BH, but I have no skin in that game as I use muzzys.  My daughter took her buck a little far back with a full size 50 cal maxiball type bullet at 12 yards.  She caught the back of both lungs and the liver and he still ran (trotted) almost 100 yards with only two drips of blood.  If you missed those lungs, which would be easy to do, he could have gone a really long ways with a hole in his liver and w/o leaking much blood. BTW, a possible liver shot I would have left for at least an hour.   

Sorry to hear you could not find him, that's tough to take.

[D-Rock425]

Sounds more like bad arrow placement than bad broadhead .  You can't ask for much more than a pass threw .  There are spots on every animal that you won't get good blood trails on doesn't matter what broadhead you shoot.

[D-Rock425]

I really thought this thread was going to take off

[dylanb]

We had it on video thats how I know where I hit it. It wasnt a great shot but I feel like it was defiamtly fatal

[BULLBLASTER]

Post the video.
Even though I think those broadheads are a gimmick if you did in fact get both lungs that deer would have died. Guts you may have pushed it and spooked the wounded deer from its death bed 
I am betting on poor shot placement over faulty broadhead.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I really do not know what to tell you ..but I hear a lot on the site ...I just watched a show 5 min. ago  She drilled this whitetail tight on the crease of the shoulder ...Blood shot out instantly before the deer took off ...She then did not feel comfortable with her shot  They wait until morning and recover the deer 250 yrds from where she hit it ....I am totally lost on some of the stuff I hear or see on T.V ....some  people must have bad luck or something ...I watched more deer and elk flop over before my eyes than I have watched run off and go past 100 yrds ... CRAZY ..... My  to you is shoot a 100 gr Wasp boss ....everything dies 

[dylanb]

I felt more then comfortable with my shot. Last year I hit one alittle far back with my magnus stingers and it went maybe 40 yards and tipped over. Poured blood also. The videos on my buddys iPhone ill see if he will post it

[NW-GSP]

Both me and my wife used toxic broadheads this year. Wife's mule deer doe droped right where she was standing with a 35 yard shot double lung.
My mule deer doe went 15 feet with a double lung shot, both were bleeding like stuck pigs!
My doe was choking on her own blood so loud it was sickening even though it was oy for a few seconds.

[dylanb]

Thats what I expected! I figure even if I did hit it back farther than it looks then it still would pile up within reasonable range with a hole like that in it

[demontang]

I shot my deer with muzzy mx4 and there was a very obvious blood trail even with a high lung shot. I really think that the toxics are another gimmick head that wont be around long a deer hit in the liver with a head that claims it cuts big holes should bleed out pretty fast and the blood shouldnt be able to clod leaving no blood trail

[RadSav]

Hmmm.  Imagine that.

[MLBowhunting]

 

[D-Rock425]

Hmmm.  Imagine that.

that's it really?  I've been waiting all day for your reaction to this thread and that all I get?

[MLBowhunting]

   that too 

[Jonathan_S]

Hmmm.  Imagine that.

Who would have thought   

 

[RadSav]

Hmmm.  Imagine that.

that's it really?  I've been waiting all day for your reaction to this thread and that all I get?

I just figured everyone knows my position on this head.  And I've had plenty of post time to make my point.



But ok, if you want more...;

When Duke Savora worked with the Rhodesian government conducting the Chapinda Pools test they would not allow him to shoot an animal dead center through the heart/lung area.  Their reasoning was you could not receive adequate information on efficiency and effectiveness of the instrument as nearly anything of over 75 caliber would be effective even if only slightly sharp or a low velocity bullet.  Only after much debate and Savora's insistence was it agreed they would take a couple impala with a heart/lung shot as a base line for comparison.  As we sat around the dinning room table eating tacos he described how difficult it actually was to get a good heart/lung shot on the quick and skittish impala.

When a marginal shot is in play no gimmick can overcome the effectiveness of a sharp blade that stays sharp throughout it's penetration of tissue.  Circle cut blades, square blades, triangle blades, four blades, five blades or six blades simply do not add a benefit beyond the marketing and spin of advertising.  Maybe...maybe you can get a better external bleed with four blades over three, but that would be about all one could expect.  That possible advantage can not overcome the disadvantages that come with the additional stimulation of blood platelets'.  Sharpness and blade quality rule all when it comes to marginal shots with a broadhead tipped arrow.  If you want to be serious about killing an animal as fast as possible even when shots don't always find their exact mark leave gimmicks on the playground and shoot a straight razor of quality steel.

[Jonathan_S]

 

Is it just me that gets excited whenever RadSav writes a long post?

[MLBowhunting]

Lol he knows his stuff that's for sure 

[D-Rock425]

Well that's way better thanks radsav

[NW-GSP]

Even though I used toxic broadheads this year, I will not be using them next year. After some messaging back and forth with radsav I would not want to risk under penetration with a toxic broadhead.
Both my deer and my wife's were double lung shot but I do not think toxic broadheads would do very well with a shoulder shot, even though it double lunged the deer I harvested it just barely had complete pass through and that was at 25 yards with a compound bow with a 60#lb draw weight.

[D-Rock425]

 

[lokidog]

From my experience, sometimes they just don't bleed much externally whether it is a Muzzy MX3 double lunged from a tree stand at 10 yards, a 240 gr 44 mag through both shoulders at 35 yards, a double lung 20 ga slug at 65, or a 50 cal ML at 15 yards that hits liver and both lungs, all pass througths BTW.

Just looked up the Toxics, that's mighty bizarre looking and does look like a gimmick.  Seems like it would tend to allow the wound to close back in behind it and have issues even penetrating with all of that frontal area.   

[dylanb]

Mine passed clean threw went about 30 yards and stuck in the dirt 6 inches. But thats just a bowtech for ya like I said. The shot wasnt my best but I felt like the deer would go under 100 yards. I was super confident in everything before we tried finding blood.. slick tricks next year..

[D-Rock425]

Oh boy I'm really starting to question some of your equipment choices toxic now bowtech?  I guess we just figured out why your shot was off its mark

[RadSav]

Oh boy I'm really starting to question some of your equipment choices toxic now bowtech?  I guess we just figured out why your shot was off its mark

And what was your excuse? ...Oh yeah that's right.  It was the $50 range finder.  At least that Hoyt missed her clean

[D-Rock425]

Oh boy I'm really starting to question some of your equipment choices toxic now bowtech?  I guess we just figured out why your shot was off its mark

And what was your excuse? ...Oh yeah that's right.  It was the $50 range finder.  At least that Hoyt missed her clean

that's right never mine or the bows fault.  That hoyt doesn't miss very often. 

[stromdiddily]

Saw that one coming

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[D-Rock425]

I knew it was coming. 

[RadSav]

It's just too fun to pick on logo pushers.  I couldn't help myself with that carrot dangling and looking so tasty.

[sakoshooter]

I recall commenting on this broadhead earlier this year on how dumb of a design it was. I compared it to the old Browning Serpentine that came out in the late 60's or early 70's. Clogged up in hair and fat. Looked good on apples and water melons in demos but couldn't cut the mustard on big game. The Toxic actually looks like a worse design than the Serpentine.

[Come Get Some]

My neighbor came over and asked me about the Toxic head. He said the penetration test on phone books and cinder blocks looked really good. I told him next time I hunt phone books I will give them a try.
 I shoot Shuttle T Broadheads. I have been bow hunting for over 40 years and have never had a broadhead stop animals faster,penetrate better or leave a larger ENTRANCE hole . Blood trails are stupid easy to follow.
 A sharp broadhead even when placed poorly will bleed longer than a marginally sharp broadhead.

 They do not seem to slow down much thru shoulders or briskets .

[dylanb]

My kuiu gear got here so I decided to go test it out and look around for sheds and maybe my buck. I stand in the spot I shot him replaying the shot over in my head. There's a deer standing less then 20 yards from where he was when I let my arrow fly. I put a little stalk on it and I realise it's the spike I shot! He looked perfectly healthy with a little tuff of hair gone where I hit him. I had to of got liver atleast. But the deer looked very healthy and will continue to grow so I can't be upset. I'm glad he is alive and well that's forsure

[Smossy]

Hmmm.  Imagine that.

that's it really?  I've been waiting all day for your reaction to this thread and that all I get?

I just figured everyone knows my position on this head.  And I've had plenty of post time to make my point.



But ok, if you want more...;

When Duke Savora worked with the Rhodesian government conducting the Chapinda Pools test they would not allow him to shoot an animal dead center through the heart/lung area.  Their reasoning was you could not receive adequate information on efficiency and effectiveness of the instrument as nearly anything of over 75 caliber would be effective even if only slightly sharp or a low velocity bullet.  Only after much debate and Savora's insistence was it agreed they would take a couple impala with a heart/lung shot as a base line for comparison.  As we sat around the dinning room table eating tacos he described how difficult it actually was to get a good heart/lung shot on the quick and skittish impala.

When a marginal shot is in play no gimmick can overcome the effectiveness of a sharp blade that stays sharp throughout it's penetration of tissue.  Circle cut blades, square blades, triangle blades, four blades, five blades or six blades simply do not add a benefit beyond the marketing and spin of advertising.  Maybe...maybe you can get a better external bleed with four blades over three, but that would be about all one could expect.  That possible advantage can not overcome the disadvantages that come with the additional stimulation of blood platelets'.  Sharpness and blade quality rule all when it comes to marginal shots with a broadhead tipped arrow.  If you want to be serious about killing an animal as fast as possible even when shots don't always find their exact mark leave gimmicks on the playground and shoot a straight razor of quality steel.

To add to that, I've seen those toxic's first hand,  and they're NOT sharp at all. The ones I've seen unshot straight outa the package. Come dulled. Like glide your finger on them without a cut dull.

[dylanb]

Mine were! Cut my finger open good on them. Never shot the ones I hunted with either. But they were definitely sharp

[Smossy]

Here I also found a video showing it to. 

Dont let the guy's hype on the video fool ya though.


TOXIC Broadhead! Flying Arrow Archery's 6-Bladed Innovation

Go to around 2:00 minute mark.

 Im a Toxic Hater.

[RadSav]

My kuiu gear got here so I decided to go test it out and look around for sheds and maybe my buck. I stand in the spot I shot him replaying the shot over in my head. There's a deer standing less then 20 yards from where he was when I let my arrow fly. I put a little stalk on it and I realise it's the spike I shot! He looked perfectly healthy with a little tuff of hair gone where I hit him. I had to of got liver atleast. But the deer looked very healthy and will continue to grow so I can't be upset. I'm glad he is alive and well that's forsure

That's good news.  Always have to worry about bad infections with circle cutters.  I'm happy he was one of the lucky ones.  I'd rather the coyotes and crows eat mice and road kill

[Jonathan_S]

My kuiu gear got here so I decided to go test it out and look around for sheds and maybe my buck. I stand in the spot I shot him replaying the shot over in my head. There's a deer standing less then 20 yards from where he was when I let my arrow fly. I put a little stalk on it and I realise it's the spike I shot! He looked perfectly healthy with a little tuff of hair gone where I hit him. I had to of got liver atleast. But the deer looked very healthy and will continue to grow so I can't be upset. I'm glad he is alive and well that's forsure

That's good news.  Always have to worry about bad infections with circle cutters. 

    I guess that's a nod to it's lack of lethality