VAP1 arrows

[Karl Blanchard]

So I am dropping some coin into new bling for my bow this year and that includes arrows.  I have been shooting Easton Axis's for years with no complaints but these arrows by Victory are looking like they are pretty amazing!  Components are top quality, penetration is rediculious!!!!  Only complaint I have found is the special penetrator inserts tend to bend.  Anyone have any first hand experience?

Victory Armour Piercing Arrow Promotional Video

90 Yard penetration test with the VAP (Victory Armor Piercing) arrow

2011 Arrow Penetration test

Victory VAP Arrow Review

[demontang]

The outsert can bend but they generally save the arrow on hard hits. I know the hit inserts tend to let the front of the shaft get damaged. Ive done some comparing between standard gt pro hunter, axis, kinects, and the beman hunter pro. I really didnt see to much different of a penetration in different media between them the axis broke the easiest with the hit inserts even with collars on them. I want to order some and test the vap my self

[Karl Blanchard]

The outsert can bend but they generally save the arrow on hard hits. I know the hit inserts tend to let the front of the shaft get damaged. Ive done some comparing between standard gt pro hunter, axis, kinects, and the beman hunter pro. I really didnt see to much different of a penetration in different media between them the axis broke the easiest with the hit inserts even with collars on them. I want to order some and test the vap my self

  Yep, thats the word on the street.  They look like they will flat blow through some stuff!  Probably gonna bite the bullet and give em a run!

[KimWar1911]

I used the Easton's too but switched to vaps a few seasons ago. Very impressive penetration. With the original penetrator outserts I had an occasional tip bend. They now offer the penetrator 2 outsert which I switched to. They weigh a few more grains and I have yet to have any tip damage. I wish they didn't cost so much but I think it's money well spent. They are all I shoot.

[RadSav]

Good arrows made with the best carbon fiber in the industry.  These are the guys building carbon parts for Ford, Callaway golf and the department of defense.  It's high quality stuff you won't find just anywhere.  I do not use them because of some internal issues and I do not like that kind of outsert.  But, hey.  That's just me.

You shouldn't get too caught up in the spin of marketing around the penetration differences.  Animal bone and tissue is a great difference in regards to the way a broadhead penetrates solid media.  The larger diameter outsert is going to show great results in plywood and similar media.  But in real life fat, blood, and moisture from other bodily fluids makes it a rather moot point.  Proper arrow flight, shaft stiffness, shaft weight and broadhead construction will have a much larger effect on real life animal penetration than diameter and large leading outserts will ever give.  So take the conjecture and marketing spin of so called "penetration" tests with a grain of salt.  As I can not remember ever shooting an animal with my bow that was hiding behind a piece of plywood, bullet proof glass or sinter blocks.

With that being said I have tested all the Victory arrows extensively.  They are under rated as far as consistent quality and straightness. And the higher grade carbon fiber used makes it a much more durable shaft than China produced or French produced products.  If Victory had employed the proper people back when they first began their own shaft production I'd expect they would have risen to the top of the market place.  Unfortunately they stumbled when it came to hiring.  But that is the only thing that really held them back IMO.  They have begun to get good people and production, but that huge open window of opportunity they had when they first began has closed to a mere crack. 

Victory Archery offers good products at a fair price.  Hard to go wrong there!  Just don't get caught up in the hype and marketing spin of this penetration because of design garbage.  It's a bunch of hooey.  However the product beyond that unscientific hooey is reliable quality at an affordable price.

[Come Get Some]

Good arrows made with the best carbon fiber in the industry.  These are the guys building carbon parts for Ford, Callaway golf and the department of defense.  It's high quality stuff you won't find just anywhere.  I do not use them because of some internal issues and I do not like that kind of outsert.  But, hey.  That's just me.

You shouldn't get too caught up in the spin of marketing around the penetration differences.  Animal bone and tissue is a great difference in regards to the way a broadhead penetrates solid media.  The larger diameter outsert is going to show great results in plywood and similar media.  But in real life fat, blood, and moisture from other bodily fluids makes it a rather moot point.  Proper arrow flight, shaft stiffness, shaft weight and broadhead construction will have a much larger effect on real life animal penetration than diameter and large leading outserts will ever give.  So take the conjecture and marketing spin of so called "penetration" tests with a grain of salt.  As I can not remember ever shooting an animal with my bow that was hiding behind a piece of plywood, bullet proof glass or sinter blocks.

With that being said I have tested all the Victory arrows extensively.  They are under rated as far as consistent quality and straightness. And the higher grade carbon fiber used makes it a much more durable shaft than China produced or French produced products.  If Victory had employed the proper people back when they first began their own shaft production I'd expect they would have risen to the top of the market place.  Unfortunately they stumbled when it came to hiring.  But that is the only thing that really held them back IMO.  They have begun to get good people and production, but that huge open window of opportunity they had when they first began has closed to a mere crack. 

Victory Archery offers good products at a fair price.  Hard to go wrong there!  Just don't get caught up in the hype and marketing spin of this penetration because of design garbage.  It's a bunch of hooey.  However the product beyond that unscientific hooey is reliable quality at an affordable price.

 Good response. I agree. Too much Pro this or Pro that in the market now days. Straightness ,proper spine and good broadhead choice will be the key. If you have to have a special penetration outsert I might question why that is necessary . ACC 371 is heavy but very consistant and durable.

[RadSav]

It's a very well designed and beautifully machined outsert.  And it is needed because of the small i.d. of the shaft.  That doesn't make it a true winner from an external ballistic standpoint, but there are some trade offs one might appreciate in such a shaft.  I will usually error on the side of stable flight over durability and wind drift advantages.  But there are times and places where small and durable are a nice thing to have.  I wouldn't blast anyone wanting to go the VAP route.  Even if the penetration issue is minute to the extreme in true hunting environments.  But I'd certainly rather see a person shooting VAP's than the Easton Deep Six.  And all carbon Axis for that matter.

[bullcanyon]

I haven't used this model, but have been shooting victory arrows for a few years and really like them.  I bought a couple dozen when I got started with them and still have most of them left. Very tough arrow that flies real good for me. I've shot them out to 140yds on my range.

[Karl Blanchard]

Good arrows made with the best carbon fiber in the industry.  These are the guys building carbon parts for Ford, Callaway golf and the department of defense.  It's high quality stuff you won't find just anywhere.  I do not use them because of some internal issues and I do not like that kind of outsert.  But, hey.  That's just me.

You shouldn't get too caught up in the spin of marketing around the penetration differences.  Animal bone and tissue is a great difference in regards to the way a broadhead penetrates solid media.  The larger diameter outsert is going to show great results in plywood and similar media.  But in real life fat, blood, and moisture from other bodily fluids makes it a rather moot point.  Proper arrow flight, shaft stiffness, shaft weight and broadhead construction will have a much larger effect on real life animal penetration than diameter and large leading outserts will ever give.  So take the conjecture and marketing spin of so called "penetration" tests with a grain of salt.  As I can not remember ever shooting an animal with my bow that was hiding behind a piece of plywood, bullet proof glass or sinter blocks.

With that being said I have tested all the Victory arrows extensively.  They are under rated as far as consistent quality and straightness. And the higher grade carbon fiber used makes it a much more durable shaft than China produced or French produced products.  If Victory had employed the proper people back when they first began their own shaft production I'd expect they would have risen to the top of the market place.  Unfortunately they stumbled when it came to hiring.  But that is the only thing that really held them back IMO.  They have begun to get good people and production, but that huge open window of opportunity they had when they first began has closed to a mere crack. 

Victory Archery offers good products at a fair price.  Hard to go wrong there!  Just don't get caught up in the hype and marketing spin of this penetration because of design garbage.  It's a bunch of hooey.  However the product beyond that unscientific hooey is reliable quality at an affordable price.

    Good stuff Rad.  Anytime a company is paying a guys bills, I always take what they are saying with a grain of salt.  I have been reading reviews and crunching numbers all of yesterday.  If I shoot a 125gr head with a luminock I get a 435gr arrow with a FOC of 15.02%  I have been shooting 50gr brass inserts to get a better FOC in my current setup but I am losing some speed because of it.  I am by no means a speed guy but if I can have best of both worlds thats a win win.   Like you said before, they are top quality carbon and straight as an.....arrow!

[buckfvr]

If the shooter does his part, virtually any quality shaft and broadhead will deliver the same results......I know things dont always go as planned, but I dont think you can count on any shaft out there to right a wrong.   

[Button Nubbs]

I don't have any expierence with vap's but I shoot the x-ringer hv for 3d. Victory makes a great product and as rad said underrated imo.

[Karl Blanchard]

If the shooter does his part, virtually any quality shaft and broadhead will deliver the same results......I know things dont always go as planned, but I dont think you can count on any shaft out there to right a wrong.   

  If a shooter does his part than you could shoot field tips cause they will puncture lungs too.   I didn't imply that they would or that that was my goal.  Concept is no different than with bullets.  An all lead bullet through both lungs will kill an animal just as dead as a Nosler Accubond.   That being said though, when that all lead bullet impacts the offside shoulder on that quartering away shot, it might pancake out and stop where as the high quality bonded bullet will most likely punch through giving you a broken shoulder and an exit wound.  Same concept with arrows.   Why not shoot the best there is? 

Not saying the VAP's are the best out there but from what I have read, they are an absolutely top quality product made with the finest materials and some of the tightest tolerances in the industry.  I have been part of hundreds of kills and I have seen bullets and arrows do some crazy things.  I have seen cheap bullets fail, and good bullets fail.  I have seen arrows do stuff that make you scratch your head and say "what?".  I've seen broadheads that become field tips on impacting hide (makes for a terrifying gutting job) One thing I have learned in this world though is that a good rule of thumb is you get what you pay for.

[Karl Blanchard]

I don't have any expierence with vap's but I shoot the x-ringer hv for 3d. Victory makes a great product and as rad said underrated imo.

  Thank you

[Karl Blanchard]

Since we are talking arrows,  whats your favorite go to shaft Rad?

[JPhelps]

The Black Eagles are straight, tough, and have a consistent spine.  Plus they are more affordable to other arrows with similar specs.  They have also developed a stainless steel half out that I can wait to use on my next order of Rampage.

I have never shot a tougher arrow (gold tip pro hutner, Easton Axis, Beman ICS hunter, Easton injexion and Carbon Express)