Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!

[idahohuntr]

What would you have done differently than me, assuming you had a handgun?

Then, tell me how a "momma" is safer after these wolves encountered you instead of me.  Or, after hearing the facts of my wolf encounters will you recant your dumb statement about how a wolf encounter with me is bad for "momma"

Some momma walking her dogs had better pray those wolves off in the distance had some education from someone like me;  if they've had previous contact with someone like idahunter or sitka_blacktail then that momma is screwed, and so are her dogs.

[KFhunter]

What would you have done differently than me, assuming you had a handgun?

Then, tell me how a "momma" is safer after these wolves encountered you instead of me.  Or, after hearing the facts of my wolf encounters will you recant your dumb statement about how a wolf encounter with me is bad for "momma"

Some momma walking her dogs had better pray those wolves off in the distance had some education from someone like me;  if they've had previous contact with someone like idahunter or sitka_blacktail then that momma is screwed, and so are her dogs.

I wouldn't have done anything differently, except maybe try to take some pictures.   It's your next encounter I worry about, you clearly cannot defend yourself.

[idahohuntr]

I wouldn't have done anything differently, except maybe try to take some pictures.   It's your next encounter I worry about, you clearly cannot defend yourself.

You worry about you and I'll worry about me.   

[KFhunter]

I wouldn't have done anything differently, except maybe try to take some pictures.   It's your next encounter I worry about, you clearly cannot defend yourself.

You worry about you and I'll worry about me.   

I'm not worried about you;  I'm worried that people like you will have encounters with wolves - people with very little means of self defense or no means at all - and that will teach wolves not to fear humans in a cumulative manner - and that could get a momma walking her dog into big trouble as in the video link I posted previously.   

[wolfbait]

I wouldn't have done anything differently, except maybe try to take some pictures.   It's your next encounter I worry about, you clearly cannot defend yourself.

You worry about you and I'll worry about me.   

I'm not worried about you;  I'm worried that people like you will have encounters with wolves - people with very little means of self defense or no means at all - and that will teach wolves not to fear humans in a cumulative manner - and that could get a momma walking her dog into big trouble as in the video link I posted previously.

The pro-wolf pack move in to slaughter common sense: This is quite the thread, I wonder how many people would enjoy having wolves follow them or make false charges? How many people people would run up a tree from, say a pack of wild dogs? I would, and then I would kill everyone of them that I could. I would alert everyone and encourage them to kill on sight. But with wolves many have their hands tied do to the ESA and frauds such as the USFWS and WDFW. 

What you are hearing from KFHunter and a few others is common sense, until you actually live around WDFW's wolves for a while, you should talk to those who have.  For those of you who are pushing for the wolves I hope you get to experience your dreams.

[idahohuntr]

I wouldn't have done anything differently, except maybe try to take some pictures.   It's your next encounter I worry about, you clearly cannot defend yourself.

You worry about you and I'll worry about me.   

I'm not worried about you;  I'm worried that people like you will have encounters with wolves - people with very little means of self defense or no means at all - and that will teach wolves not to fear humans in a cumulative manner - and that could get a momma walking her dog into big trouble as in the video link I posted previously.

You just admitted you wouldn't have done anything differently in my wolf encounters.  You also said very specifically that you worry about my next encounter.  You did not say a wolf encountering someone "like me". 

And again, you are making absurd assumptions pretending to have any clue about how capable I may be in defending myself.  So I will once again remind you to worry about yourself. 

[KFhunter]

The only thing I know about you is that you'll "shoot a wolf in the face with an arrow",  and that is enough.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I'm not worried about you;  I'm worried that people like you will have encounters with wolves - people with very little means of self defense or no means at all - and that will teach wolves not to fear humans in a cumulative manner - and that could get a momma walking her dog into big trouble as in the video link I posted previously.

I guess then by your logic, that momma out walking her dog needs to be reprimanded too for not packing heat and for bringing a wolf attractor with her on her walk. She needs to be teaching those wolves a lesson darn it!

[KFhunter]

That would be nice, but I think we'll have more success if we can get people like you to do their part first.


regarding "momma",  I think it more likely people will stop enjoying the outdoors as freely as they do now.  In wolf areas it's already putting a damper on the joy of being outside with their dogs as it's surely in the back of everyone's mind.

[idahohuntr]

The only thing I know about you is that you'll "shoot a wolf in the face with an arrow",  and that is enough.

Yes, If all I have is a bow and a wolf threatens me I'm sending an arrow down range.  Is this not what you have been advocating all along??? 

And if you doubt an archery hunters ability to defend himself if a predator attacks...check out the story below.  This was an old friend of mine.  Shot a cougar in the face with a bow at very close range as it was charging him...crazy story! 

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Stalked!+Maybe+cats+really+do+have+nine+lives.-a0148318594

[KFhunter]

The only thing I know about you is that you'll "shoot a wolf in the face with an arrow",  and that is enough.

Yes, If all I have is a bow and a wolf threatens me I'm sending an arrow down range.  Is this not what you have been advocating all along??? 

And if you doubt an archery hunters ability to defend himself if a predator attacks...check out the story below.  This was an old friend of mine.  Shot a cougar in the face with a bow at very close range as it was charging him...crazy story! 

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Stalked!+Maybe+cats+really+do+have+nine+lives.-a0148318594

No - it is not what I've been advocating.  I'm archery too, I fully understand the capabilities of modern archery.  Our bows are designed to be stealthy, quiet and accurate.  Zipping an arrow through a wolf is not going educate the pack, you may kill the one (if you're lucky) but the others won't even know what has happened.

On the other hand if you've got a Glock 20 and start banging off rounds into the threatening wolf/s all the others will get the hint and learn humans are not to be messed with.   You obviously know nothing of the Clayton bow hunters' story do you?  IN short he killed a wolf with an arrow, the rest maintained a very threatening posture.  The man has brass balls obviously, but he illustrated very well how serious the situation was.

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2012/sep/14/idaho-bow-hunter-kills-stalking-wolf/

edit:  they cut the good part of the story off 

[turkeyfeather]

You pro wolf huggers just don't get it. These are apex predators and will continue to think they are apex predators of anything in the woods unless they are "educated" otherwise. They will not fear anything unless there is a reason to fear it. Your beliefs that if I just climb a tree and leave it alone it will leave me alone in absolute non sense. It is no longer afraid of you and you just became part of the food chain. Wolves have evolved to go after the sick, slow and weak first. They are always looking for the easiest meal. We have all seen it happen recently with our own eyes. (McIrvins) If you don't have a means of protecting yourself against a pack of wolves, guess what? You just became the slowest, weakest thing in the woods. Deer and elk are much more difficult to take down than you will be. Wolves are testing people to see if they are a threat and it is happening more and more. If they are not "educated" it is only a matter of time. Oh and Idaho about your friend and his arrow thru the cat. Great and LUCKY shot. But the problem is he only had to worry about one. Try that with a pack of attacking wolves and you may get one but are gonna be torn to bits before you can ever nock another one.

[pianoman9701]

I'm not worried about you;  I'm worried that people like you will have encounters with wolves - people with very little means of self defense or no means at all - and that will teach wolves not to fear humans in a cumulative manner - and that could get a momma walking her dog into big trouble as in the video link I posted previously.

I guess then by your logic, that momma out walking her dog needs to be reprimanded too for not packing heat and for bringing a wolf attractor with her on her walk. She needs to be teaching those wolves a lesson darn it!

Anyone out walking anywhere "not packing heat" should be reprimanded, but especially in wolf country - be that Idaho, WA, or Chicago. Yes, you are correct. Wolves need to be taught to fear man. In WA so far, that's not the case and we're seeing the repercussions from that.

[AspenBud]

Anyhow, from the sounds of it the wolves never showed themselves. The guy got scared and ran up the tree and never fired a shot at a wolf.

Tough guy talk aside, there's not much of a story here.

[Northway]

In my opinion, the number one reason to carry a handgun in the great outdoors is other people.

The argument about whether to carry one for predators to me is a moot point because of the aforementioned opinion. Growing up spending time in the woods on the west slopes of the Cascades, I had a couple of bizarre encounters that convinced me you just never know what type of strange situation you are going to happen upon.