Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!

[bobcat]

Idahohntr, I don't know who you are or if you are capable of that, hopefully not, but KFhunter was not off-base with his comment.

Anyone falsely claiming themselves to be a hunter and/or using stolen photos and false stories to appear as a hunter is an issue that this forum probably should try to address at some point.

It's kind of crazy to be doubting idahohuntr when he posts his notes from every GMAC meeting and he has also provided us with draw odds for deer, elk, and moose the last couple of years. Oh yeah I sure can see him being a wolf hugger/anti hunter in disguise.   

Yep. Let's ban a GMAC member (Game Management Advisory Council) so we can no longer get the inside info from their meetings.

And let's ban a guy who provides us with draw odds every year. He definitely sounds like he's not worth having around.   

I can't believe this thread. It's like arguing with my wife. It just goes in circles and nothing is accomplished by it.

Nobody here is really that far apart on their beliefs and opinions regarding wolves. We are all hunters here and therefore, NOT enemies. I'd like to see people treated with a little more respect on here. Especially when they're long time, contributing members.

[Curly]

Idahohntr, I don't know who you are or if you are capable of that, hopefully not, but KFhunter was not off-base with his comment.

Anyone falsely claiming themselves to be a hunter and/or using stolen photos and false stories to appear as a hunter is an issue that this forum probably should try to address at some point.

It's kind of crazy to be doubting idahohuntr when he posts his notes from every GMAC meeting and he has also provided us with draw odds for deer, elk, and moose the last couple of years. Oh yeah I sure can see him being a wolf hugger/anti hunter in disguise.   

Yep. Let's ban a GMAC member (Game Management Advisory Council) so we can no longer get the inside info from their meetings.

And let's ban a guy who provides us with draw odds every year. He definitely sounds like he's not worth having around.   

I can't believe this thread. It's like arguing with my wife. It just goes in circles and nothing is accomplished by it.

Nobody here is really that far apart on their beliefs and opinions regarding wolves. We are all hunters here and therefore, NOT enemies. I'd like to see people treated with a little more respect on here. Especially when they're long time, contributing members.

Exactly what I was thinking as I was following along with this thread.

[KFhunter]

Idahohntr, I don't know who you are or if you are capable of that, hopefully not, but KFhunter was not off-base with his comment.

Anyone falsely claiming themselves to be a hunter and/or using stolen photos and false stories to appear as a hunter is an issue that this forum probably should try to address at some point.

It's kind of crazy to be doubting idahohuntr when he posts his notes from every GMAC meeting and he has also provided us with draw odds for deer, elk, and moose the last couple of years. Oh yeah I sure can see him being a wolf hugger/anti hunter in disguise.   

Yep. Let's ban a GMAC member (Game Management Advisory Council) so we can no longer get the inside info from their meetings.

And let's ban a guy who provides us with draw odds every year. He definitely sounds like he's not worth having around.   

I can't believe this thread. It's like arguing with my wife. It just goes in circles and nothing is accomplished by it.

Nobody here is really that far apart on their beliefs and opinions regarding wolves. We are all hunters here and therefore, NOT enemies. I'd like to see people treated with a little more respect on here. Especially when they're long time, contributing members.

You're just ultra sensitive to this because you're accused all the time of being a WDFW shill.

(not by me)

[bearpaw]

Idahohntr, I don't know who you are or if you are capable of that, hopefully not, but KFhunter was not off-base with his comment.

Anyone falsely claiming themselves to be a hunter and/or using stolen photos and false stories to appear as a hunter is an issue that this forum probably should try to address at some point.

It's kind of crazy to be doubting idahohuntr when he posts his notes from every GMAC meeting and he has also provided us with draw odds for deer, elk, and moose the last couple of years. Oh yeah I sure can see him being a wolf hugger/anti hunter in disguise.   

Yep. Let's ban a GMAC member (Game Management Advisory Council) so we can no longer get the inside info from their meetings.

And let's ban a guy who provides us with draw odds every year. He definitely sounds like he's not worth having around.   

I can't believe this thread. It's like arguing with my wife. It just goes in circles and nothing is accomplished by it.

Nobody here is really that far apart on their beliefs and opinions regarding wolves. We are all hunters here and therefore, NOT enemies. I'd like to see people treated with a little more respect on here. Especially when they're long time, contributing members.

I didn't look at Idahohntr's profile or check his past posts so I cannot comment on that.

I was pointing out to him why KFhunter likely made his comment. If Idahohntr is on the GMAC I hope he is a hunter and I hope that he gets a better understanding of these wolves, cougars, other predators, and their effects on our wildlife. I also hope he will understand how different NE WA is from Priest Lake area.

From what I see in his posts in this topic it almost appears that he is a member of a wolf group or works for the WDFW endangered species division. Some of his comments appear as practically a facsimile of their propaganda. 

[pianoman9701]

Idahohntr, I don't know who you are or if you are capable of that, hopefully not, but KFhunter was not off-base with his comment.

Anyone falsely claiming themselves to be a hunter and/or using stolen photos and false stories to appear as a hunter is an issue that this forum probably should try to address at some point.

It's kind of crazy to be doubting idahohuntr when he posts his notes from every GMAC meeting and he has also provided us with draw odds for deer, elk, and moose the last couple of years. Oh yeah I sure can see him being a wolf hugger/anti hunter in disguise.   

Yep. Let's ban a GMAC member (Game Management Advisory Council) so we can no longer get the inside info from their meetings.

And let's ban a guy who provides us with draw odds every year. He definitely sounds like he's not worth having around.   

I can't believe this thread. It's like arguing with my wife. It just goes in circles and nothing is accomplished by it.

Nobody here is really that far apart on their beliefs and opinions regarding wolves. We are all hunters here and therefore, NOT enemies. I'd like to see people treated with a little more respect on here. Especially when they're long time, contributing members.

I'm not sure Idahohntr is an anti-hunter, or a wolf lover, or whatever. But, just that he's on the GMAC doesn't mean he's pro-hunting or anything else. We know the Wildlife Commission has had radical environmentalists on it. We know that pro-wolfers have participated in DFW hunting surveys from the comments they've left. And, we have had several HuntWA members posing as hunters just to disrupt the forum for their environmental causes and reasons. Don't be so naive to think that just because someone on the internet tells you they're something that it means they really are that.

[bearpaw]

   We currently have a member on the WDFW Wildlife Commission who is a paid employee of Conservation Northwest an openly pro-wolf organization that is opposed to many types of hunting. 

[Curly]

Well, I can tell from Idahohntr's posts that he is a sportsman.  His view on wolves is not much different than that of JLS from what I can gather.  And not much different than several other members on this site who are definitely hunters.  They just have a slightly different take on the wolf issue............their position really isn't all that much different than the likes of BearPaw.

I think it is a mistake to label sportsman like Idahohntr as a wolf lover.  This is getting to be hunters against hunters and the anti hunters are going to love it.

[bobcat]

Seriously? I'm naive?   

The guy has been on this forum for a long time. I'm pretty sure an anti hunter wouldn't go to the trouble of calculating draw odds for deer, elk, and moose in 2012 and 2013 and posting it for all of us to use.

Look at the top of the deer and elk sections. The threads are there, since I stickied them last year when he posted them.

[pianoman9701]

Seriously? I'm naive?   

The guy has been on this forum for a long time. I'm pretty sure an anti hunter wouldn't go to the trouble of calculating draw odds for deer, elk, and moose in 2012 and 2013 and posting it for all of us to use.

Look at the top of the deer and elk sections. The threads are there, since I stickied them last year when he posted them.

I said I don't know whether he is or not. You have selective reading. I also didn't say you were naive. I said "don't be naive" enough to think everyone's who they say they are, not that you are.

[Bob33]

Well, I can tell from Idahohntr's posts that he is a sportsman.  His view on wolves is not much different than that of JLS from what I can gather.  And not much different than several other members on this site who are definitely hunters.  They just have a slightly different take on the wolf issue............their position really isn't all that much different than the likes of BearPaw.

I think it is a mistake to label sportsman like Idahohntr as a wolf lover.  This is getting to be hunters against hunters and the anti hunters are going to love it.

I suspect there are quite a few members who have a less hostive view of wolves than some other members. However, the outright hatred and disparaging comments made towards them (like Idahohntr) would certainly give them cause to stay silent on the topic.

[bobcat]

God this IS just like arguing with my wife!

[bearpaw]

Well, I can tell from Idahohntr's posts that he is a sportsman.  His view on wolves is not much different than that of JLS from what I can gather.  And not much different than several other members on this site who are definitely hunters.  They just have a slightly different take on the wolf issue............their position really isn't all that much different than the likes of BearPaw.

I think it is a mistake to label sportsman like Idahohntr as a wolf lover.  This is getting to be hunters against hunters and the anti hunters are going to love it.

I'm not sure that he is a wolf lover, although his posts in this topic and some others seem to point in that direction. Go back and read them!

It could be that he simply believes the propaganda used to perpetuate the current failure of a wolf plan that we have. The NE is being fed to the wolves!

The biggest red flag for me is when someone tries to say that wolves do not impact big game herds when exactly the opposite has been documented by state F&G agencies, and there are several comments by 3 or 4 members in this topic exactly like that. Anyone is entitled to their opinion but they should expect to be called to task when they try to spread complete fallacies.

[pianoman9701]

Bob, there's a big difference between "disparaging comments" and "outright hatred". This is a hunting forum. Many of us hunters believe that wolves are unnecessary and will hurt our hunting. We're unambiguous about that. Quite a few less believe that wolves are good for our state. And, it does get frustrating when someone is ambiguous about what they support when it comes to this topic. However, I've seen more frustration than outright hatred. I think that's for the most part an exaggeration. 

[pianoman9701]

God this IS just like arguing with my wife!

Maybe you need to figure out what the common denominator is. 

[bobcat]

Common denominator? That would be issues that nobody is going to have their mind changed on. It is what it is. Stop with the labels and the name calling. 


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