Another pen raised trophy kill trying to get attention as new world record...

[Blue Mountain Adventures]

I just read this on Facebook, and was appalled but not entirely shocked. Its sad that some people go to such lengths as this to get attention.
Not ready to throw this guy Wade Lemon and his son under the bus yet, but wanted to hear if anyone else has seen or heard of such activity?

Its getting to where fame and money is turning guys to raising pen raised monster bulls and buck and releasing them into public lands or at least onto "non_highfenced" ranches and charging OUTRAGEOUS prices to shoot the next "world record".

IMHO the record books should have different categories for Public lands, Native Hunters, Ranches (fair chase), Governors tags and any non standard state season hunts, High Fenced hunts (not fair chase). With all of the different tags and ways to harvest trophies now a days, the record books need to rewrite there books and different categories, so we can start comparing apples to apples and eliminate this HUGE grey discrepancy area.

Your thoughts?

[Broken Arrow]

Is there a story or link with this?

[vandeman17]

Is there a story or link with this?

 

[idahohuntr]

I agree on the record book thing.  They should add 2 columns to every entry: One column denoting whether the hunt took place on Public land (Yes or No) and Tag Type: OTC, Limited Draw, Raffle, Governor/Auction etc.

[Blue Mountain Adventures]

OOPS! My bad lol.....here

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=715065635183704&set=a.612949915395277.1073741825.201409103216029&type=1&theater

 

[pianoman9701]

I think high fence hunts have their place. They're not for me, but then again, I live in WA where I can drive about an hour to great hunting. I get time off to hunt. I'm not disabled yet. Having said that, I don't have a problem with it. It's kind of like taking the kids to a trout pond our out salmon fishing (most of them are pen-raised now, right?). I don't think that raised critters should be qualified for the record books but that's only my opinion.

I can see where the CEO of a big corporation only gets a weekend here and there to do anything might choose one weekend to do one of these hunts. He gets to satisfy the millions of years old hunting urge inside and be a manly man, if only for a short while. I can see where a disabled person might benefit from this. Maybe someone taking their kid to one if they don't have a lot of time but want to bond in an outdoor atmosphere. To each their own. 

[bobcat]

Record books are meant to honor the animal, not the hunter. At least that's always been my understanding. I don't necessarily agree with differentiating between public land versus private land hunts. All you would have then is people lying about exactly which side of the line their trophy was taken.

I think record books should stay as they are. What SHOULD change is that private ownership of native big game animals should be illegal, nationwide. And high fences that don't allow wild animals to cross through, should also be illegal.

[Gringo31]

I'm glad I don't know crap about his style of "hunting"....

But it seems to me there should be hell to pay for releasing any deer/elk into the "wild" from a non wild environment.  Speaking of disease etc....

[pianoman9701]

Record books are meant to honor the animal, not the hunter. At least that's always been my understanding. I don't necessarily agree with differentiating between public land versus private land hunts. All you would have then is people lying about exactly which side of the line their trophy was taken.

I think record books should stay as they are. What SHOULD change is that private ownership of native big game animals should be illegal, nationwide. And high fences that don't allow wild animals to cross through, should also be illegal.

So then, you think that ranches/game farms that raise elk for meat should be abolished then? Bison? What about game birds? Game meat is a huge business in the US and you'd be putting lots of private entrepreneurs out of it. How about the quail egg market - huge.  If not, what's the difference between a game ranch that raises meat for the commercial market and one which raises it for hunting, which would be a commercial market?

Just because you don't agree with raising animals which are normally wildlife doesn't mean you get to say it's illegal for everyone. That's like the wave of the king's hand there, BC.

[scout/sniper]

What SHOULD change is that private ownership of native big game animals should be illegal, nationwide. And high fences that don't allow wild animals to cross through, should also be illegal.

 

[scout/sniper]

Record books are meant to honor the animal, not the hunter. At least that's always been my understanding. I don't necessarily agree with differentiating between public land versus private land hunts. All you would have then is people lying about exactly which side of the line their trophy was taken.

I think record books should stay as they are. What SHOULD change is that private ownership of native big game animals should be illegal, nationwide. And high fences that don't allow wild animals to cross through, should also be illegal.

So then, you think that ranches/game farms that raise elk for meat should be abolished then? Bison? What about game birds? Game meat is a huge business in the US and you'd be putting lots of private entrepreneurs out of it. How about the quail egg market - huge.  If not, what's the difference between a game ranch that raises meat for the commercial market and one which raises it for hunting, which would be a commercial market?

Just because you don't agree with raising animals which are normally wildlife doesn't mean you get to say it's illegal for everyone. That's like the wave of the king's hand there, BC.

Then don't allow "hunting".

[vandeman17]

Record books are meant to honor the animal, not the hunter. At least that's always been my understanding. I don't necessarily agree with differentiating between public land versus private land hunts. All you would have then is people lying about exactly which side of the line their trophy was taken.

I think record books should stay as they are. What SHOULD change is that private ownership of native big game animals should be illegal, nationwide. And high fences that don't allow wild animals to cross through, should also be illegal.

So then, you think that ranches/game farms that raise elk for meat should be abolished then? Bison? What about game birds? Game meat is a huge business in the US and you'd be putting lots of private entrepreneurs out of it. How about the quail egg market - huge.  If not, what's the difference between a game ranch that raises meat for the commercial market and one which raises it for hunting, which would be a commercial market?

Just because you don't agree with raising animals which are normally wildlife doesn't mean you get to say it's illegal for everyone. That's like the wave of the king's hand there, BC.

Then don't allow "hunting".

I agree Pianoman but those animals are raised to be slaughtered and not hunting. I think that is where the difference lies. 

[pianoman9701]

Why are these things mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[Bullkllr]

Record books are meant to honor the animal, not the hunter. At least that's always been my understanding. I don't necessarily agree with differentiating between public land versus private land hunts. All you would have then is people lying about exactly which side of the line their trophy was taken.

I think record books should stay as they are. What SHOULD change is that private ownership of native big game animals should be illegal, nationwide. And high fences that don't allow wild animals to cross through, should also be illegal.

  One policy where Washington State actually applied some foresight.

Non-native species provide meat as well for the commercial market, without a lot of the potential problems.

[pianoman9701]

Record books are meant to honor the animal, not the hunter. At least that's always been my understanding. I don't necessarily agree with differentiating between public land versus private land hunts. All you would have then is people lying about exactly which side of the line their trophy was taken.

I think record books should stay as they are. What SHOULD change is that private ownership of native big game animals should be illegal, nationwide. And high fences that don't allow wild animals to cross through, should also be illegal.

So then, you think that ranches/game farms that raise elk for meat should be abolished then? Bison? What about game birds? Game meat is a huge business in the US and you'd be putting lots of private entrepreneurs out of it. How about the quail egg market - huge.  If not, what's the difference between a game ranch that raises meat for the commercial market and one which raises it for hunting, which would be a commercial market?

Just because you don't agree with raising animals which are normally wildlife doesn't mean you get to say it's illegal for everyone. That's like the wave of the king's hand there, BC.

Then don't allow "hunting".

I agree Pianoman but those animals are raised to be slaughtered and not hunting. I think that is where the difference lies. 

Isn't that what they do at high fence hunt ranches? They're basically slaughtering raised livestock. Again, I'm not going to one. But just because I don't want to do it doesn't mean I have to campaign for others to not have that opportunity.