Hoyt Spyder Turbo or BowTech Insanity

[xXLojackXx]

the new 2014 bowtech is faster...the Insanity is gone for 2014

Are you referencing the new Destroyer?

[demontang]

I really want to see what bowtech has this year

[blackveltbowhunter]

  You seem to have answered your own question. If raw speed is your goal the insanity at 80lbs is your baby. Or you could shoot the PSE full throttle at 70lbs and compare speeds. Between the two you listed,  I would get the Hoyt. I have shot both. To me the carbon turbo blows the insanity away in shootability and quality. I believe the shootability and draw cycle would be amplified at 80lbs. But it is slower.

[blackveltbowhunter]

My bad... Poor reading comprehension on my part. you are comparing the spyder turbo, not carbon spyder. I have shot that bow as well. My decision wouldnt change, although I didn't like spyder turbo as much as the carbon turbo.

[xXLojackXx]

I don't believe the Insanity is offered in 80lb draw weight. I'm curious as to which 2014 BowTech is faster than the Insanity....?

[Russ McDonald]

http://www.bowtecharchery.com/#/home?r=-1&i=0  The 2014 line comes out 

[xXLojackXx]

Shot the Insanity CPX today @ 70lbs and 29" draw. With the heavy generic arrows (455gr) and the whisker biscuit ( ) they threw on it, it was getting 305 fps. Not too shabby at all. It has more vibration than my Z7 Mag and more of a hump to the draw cycle not being a solo cam. But the wall was rock solid and the let off felt great. All in all, pretty impressed with how it shot for a 355 IBO bow.

[atc250r18]

I just shot my insanity through a chrono (this thread prompted my actions), got 285fps with 390 gr GT Hunter pro XT's, with a 28.5 inch and 56lb draw (this is a slow by 5 compared to the IBO calculators).  The reason I went with this bow was the speed at the lower draw weights, the SOlid, solid back wall and the dead on shot feel.  After some shoulder surgery's I decided to hang up the 70+ lb draws, I shoot so much better and still faster than with my old hoyt (it was old, circa 2004).  For comparison, I shot my Assassin (IBO 333) with the same arrow, at 64lb draw and got 290fps, I shoot the insanity quite a bit better.

[xXLojackXx]

I just shot my insanity through a chrono (this thread prompted my actions), got 285fps with 390 gr GT Hunter pro XT's, with a 28.5 inch and 56lb draw (this is a slow by 5 compared to the IBO calculators).  The reason I went with this bow was the speed at the lower draw weights, the SOlid, solid back wall and the dead on shot feel.  After some shoulder surgery's I decided to hang up the 70+ lb draws, I shoot so much better and still faster than with my old hoyt (it was old, circa 2004).  For comparison, I shot my Assassin (IBO 333) with the same arrow, at 64lb draw and got 290fps, I shoot the insanity quite a bit better.

It should be well into the 300's with a 78lb draw and a 390 grain arrow. Smoker bow!

[countrystyle4life]

Bowtech all the way!!! I just traded in my Alpine for a 80 lb Insanity CPXL, thing freaking rocks! Also when I talked to the rep right before leaving for the ATA I was informed the the CPXL was staying in the line but the regular Insanity is being discontinued.  I wouldnt mess around with Hoyt. I shot Alpine for 4 years and have finally come to see the light   

[salmonslayer]

I have shot both.  I would go with Bowtech all the way.  In fact, my hunting partner shoots the 80lb Instanity CPX so I am quite familiar with it.  That bow is smoking fast.  He doesn't need to adjust his sight pins at all until beyond 40 yards.  Ridiculous.  At a 29'' draw it should perform really well for you and will blow the Turbo out of the water if you shoot each head to head.  But I will leave that up to you to decide...With that said, you WILL experience flaking of the paint finish on the limbs.  I don't care what any shop says, it will happen.  Who cares about scratches in the paint if the thing performs?  For what you describe, I would go go CPX and not look back.  The Spyder's arrows just didn't seem to whack the target like the CPX did.  The 80lb version of the CPX is no smooth pull, but it shoots.  so.  fast.

Also, fwiw, you might want to wait a few days...Bowtech has some sort of announcement coming on their new line. 

Full disclosure:  I own a Bowtech Destroyer 350 and an Elite Answer

[Come Get Some]

I have shot all of the bows . Why with the efficiency of the eccentrics available would anyone shoot a bow at 80 lbs. Force draw curve used to be a big issue. a severe force draw curve allowed the manufacturers to develope alot of energy from the wheels or cams Making the draw of the bow feel harder than it needs to be. The eccentrics have become so efficient that if you can not shoot between 60-70 lbs and successfully harvest any animal on the North American Continent you should shoot a rifle. It is a game of stalking and proper arrow spine weight and placement. Chronographs give you arrow speed at or near the bow. Light arrows although fast loose downrange speed and kenetic energy. 3D targets do not bleed or limp away. There is a happy medium between speed, trajectory and kenetic energy. A somewhat heavier arrow will fly flatter down range and not loose the valued kenetic energy.  I prefer the Hoyt Carbon element. It is very reliable, fast,light and extremely easy to tune.Hoyt has a good reputation and a solid product. All 3 of the top manufactures out there,(Hoyt,PSE and Mathews) all produce very good products. Bowtech, although not the top selling bow is a pretty good product for most bowhunters. Most look for speed. There is alot more to consider. You should choose a bow that YOU like and one that fits your style of hunting,competition and ability. Speed should not be the deciding factor. Alot of speed is hard to control. If you are have a good day you will shoot fine. If any little thing is off in your body chemistry or the tune of your bow, heavy clothing ,cold weather etc. your shooting will suffer. A good hunting speed is around 280 FPS, With the proper arrow weight and spine it is very controlable and efficient.
 If you are shooting 3D tournaments learn to judge distance correctly and shoot a stable consistant setup. It will improve your harvest rate and make you a more accomplished hunter.

[blackveltbowhunter]

Why with the efficiency of the eccentrics available would anyone shoot a bow at 80 lbs?..... Not everyone has a 31 inch draw length

[Come Get Some]

What exactly are you trying to say.?

[blackveltbowhunter]

I am saying if you want to shoot a heavier arrow but don't have the draw length to make up the speed; shooting heavier poundage is an option.