More puppies!

[Old Dog]

I got Tri - Labs Misty Magic Miah (call name Misty) from a former co-worker 5 years ago.  At one point I was trying to give her away, but did not have any takers, so I had her hips, elbows, and eyes tested, and then, essentially,  put her on a shelf.   

I posted in an earlier thread about losing my dog last June, and getting a new pup this month.  That's still going to happen, but I also decided to take Misty off the shelf.  She is currently visiting  4XGMPR Wandermers Tazverniti MH, QAA (call name Taz) at Tiger Mt. Pointing Labradors.  When I'm confident there is going to be a litter I will post an add with all the health and pedigree info.

So... I get the new pup on January 15, and if nature takes it's course I will also have a litter of puppies in early March.   

[Birdguy]

A new puppy  ...... a litter of puppies  ..... and back into birds a little  ......did you hit your head . You just signed up for a very busy spring and summer. I hope you have a lot of help for all the work you are creating  . I hear hard work keeps you young, let us know how that works out for you. So happy to see you back in the swing of things. Let me know when you want to talk birds.

[Old Dog]

As far as help is concerned I'm looking into joining a local chapter of the APLA that is just starting up, and maybe getting involved in their programs.    I've already lined up a spot to train at Rocking M, but Bryant and Cindy aren't pointing lab people, and I'm just an amateur at best.   

 We can get together on the birds anytime.  The pens are ready even if the pups aren't. 

[WRL]

Butch Higgins at Higgins Training does pointing lab stuff.

WRL

[Old Dog]

Thanks, I'll check him out. 

[Ruger]

Just find a good pointing dog trainer and they could help ya...

[Don Fischer]

As far as help is concerned I'm looking into joining a local chapter of the APLA that is just starting up, and maybe getting involved in their programs.    I've already lined up a spot to train at Rocking M, but Bryant and Cindy aren't pointing lab people, and I'm just an amateur at best.   

 We can get together on the birds anytime.  The pens are ready even if the pups aren't. 

I think I saw that R.J. Marquart does pointing labs. Search Quicksilver kennels. In eastern Wash.

[wildweeds]

He does,I've hunted over a couple of them a guy in moses owns .A black one  from canada and a yellow one that came from Tiger Mountain.


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As far as help is concerned I'm looking into joining a local chapter of the APLA that is just starting up, and maybe getting involved in their programs.    I've already lined up a spot to train at Rocking M, but Bryant and Cindy aren't pointing lab people, and I'm just an amateur at best.   

 We can get together on the birds anytime.  The pens are ready even if the pups aren't. 

I think I saw that R.J. Marquart does pointing labs. Search Quicksilver kennels. In eastern Wash.
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[Old Dog]

Thanks for a the input guys.    But, I was hoping to find someone on the wet side of the state.

[Happy Gilmore]

Look for a trainer who has pointing labs and can show you what they do. I don't know of any on the west side.

[WRL]

Butch has some. He's trained pointers too.

But with a pointing lab, you want someone who can balance the pointing stuff with the retrieving stuff.

WRL

[boneaddict]

Fun stuff Old Dog. 

[Old Dog]

Misty is officially bred.     I pick her up this evening.  I'll post an add with all the info soon. 

[et1702]

Congrats to you and Misty! 

On a side note, I have a buddy who is currently looking at getting a male pup this spring.  Any idea what you might be asking for one...$$$?

Thanks,

ET

[Old Dog]

PM sent.

[Birdguy]

Old Dog let me know what you find out about a local or semi local trainer or training program for your pup. I too would be interested in optimizing the potential of our new one as well. I would also be interested in what you find about the APLA chapter too.
Congrats on the breeding of Misty, bet you are excited about all the new stuff going on in your home 

[Old Dog]

The local APLA chapter is actually the NW chapter, and right now is based in Centralia.  It is only 3 months old, and has very few members, but the membership hails from BC to Ore, so there is an interest.  I found out Sean Issacs is involved, so I joined.  There are a couple training days scheduled for Jan, 26, and Feb 2 in Centralia.  I plan to go to take the pup for socialization, and so I can meet some of the members.

As far as a trainer, no luck finding one on this side yet.  I'm considering sending her to John at Tiger Mt, or Ryan at Long Hollow, or possibly  Sean at Tri- Labs, buy he is all the way over to Tonasket.    I went to the APLA web site, and checked out the requirements for a Grand Master Pointing Retriever, and I'm going to need some pro help.   

[gasman]

Hey Old Man, I mean Old Dog, my offer stands to help in any way I can when you get out training. 

And be sure to obedience train and I know of a place you can get a great deal on an E-collar 

[Old Dog]

Thanks Pete.    As an official member o the "Poo Crew" I'm sure I will need your help.   

[Old Dog]

The ad is now up in the sponsors classifieds. 

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,144919.msg1921464.html#msg1921464

[Old Dog]

Misty whelped March 10th.  A small litter, but they are very healthy.

[Old Dog]

Another update.

Misty waited a full day and then had more pups.   

We now have a black female, and another yellow male.  I'll get a fresh pic up this evening.

[wildweeds]

For future reference,if the big black ball of mucous looking thing don't come squirting out after the last pup ,she ain't done.A shot of oxytocin would have cleaned her out after the 4 and youd have your 6 then.Now since that happend to you, if it was me,I'd be getting that dog to the vet for  a trained hands on  check and an Xray to make absolute certain there wasn't a stillborn pup still in her.If there is another one in there that is stillborn,it will rot,cause a massive infection and kill her.

Another update.

Misty waited a full day and then had more pups.   

We now have a black female, and another yellow male.  I'll get a fresh pic up this evening.

[Old Dog]

Thanks.  That was already recommended, and we have an appointment with the vet.

[WRL]

For future reference,if the big black ball of mucous looking thing don't come squirting out after the last pup ,she ain't done.A shot of oxytocin would have cleaned her out after the 4 and youd have your 6 then.Now since that happend to you, if it was me,I'd be getting that dog to the vet for  a trained hands on  check and an Xray to make absolute certain there wasn't a stillborn pup still in her.If there is another one in there that is stillborn,it will rot,cause a massive infection and kill her.

Another update.

Misty waited a full day and then had more pups.   

We now have a black female, and another yellow male.  I'll get a fresh pic up this evening.

Very few folks are using oxytocin any more. It can cause more issues than it solves in a LOT of cases.

If she isn't in any distress, leave well enough alone.

An xray to make sure there aren't any retained puppies is always good.

WRRL

[Happy Gilmore]

For future reference,if the big black ball of mucous looking thing don't come squirting out after the last pup ,she ain't done.A shot of oxytocin would have cleaned her out after the 4 and youd have your 6 then.Now since that happend to you, if it was me,I'd be getting that dog to the vet for  a trained hands on  check and an Xray to make absolute certain there wasn't a stillborn pup still in her.If there is another one in there that is stillborn,it will rot,cause a massive infection and kill her.

Another update.

Misty waited a full day and then had more pups.   

We now have a black female, and another yellow male.  I'll get a fresh pic up this evening.

Very few folks are using oxytocin any more. It can cause more issues than it solves in a LOT of cases.

If she isn't in any distress, leave well enough alone.

An xray to make sure there aren't any retained puppies is always good.

WRRL

Just had a guy yesterday tell me his vet said they'll just give the oxytocin shot on the bitch's due date because, "it will make sure all the puppies and other stuff come out at once". I said WTF? I'd find a new vet.

[WRL]

For future reference,if the big black ball of mucous looking thing don't come squirting out after the last pup ,she ain't done.A shot of oxytocin would have cleaned her out after the 4 and youd have your 6 then.Now since that happend to you, if it was me,I'd be getting that dog to the vet for  a trained hands on  check and an Xray to make absolute certain there wasn't a stillborn pup still in her.If there is another one in there that is stillborn,it will rot,cause a massive infection and kill her.

Another update.

Misty waited a full day and then had more pups.   

We now have a black female, and another yellow male.  I'll get a fresh pic up this evening.

Very few folks are using oxytocin any more. It can cause more issues than it solves in a LOT of cases.

If she isn't in any distress, leave well enough alone.

An xray to make sure there aren't any retained puppies is always good.

WRRL

Just had a guy yesterday tell me his vet said they'll just give the oxytocin shot on the bitch's due date because, "it will make sure all the puppies and other stuff come out at once". I said WTF? I'd find a new vet.

Oh brother......

Recipe for disaster there.....I see dead puppies and a torn uterus in that guy's future.

WRL

[Happy Gilmore]

Yeah, He didn't want to listen and also paid for AI and a very expensive stud fee for the straw. She's due in two weeks and he said he can't really tell if she's pregnant. I asked if he did an ultra sound or x-ray yet for a count. He said, "vet did that last time and didn't get the count right. The vet missed a pup" I said,"yeah, that's normal it isn't an guaranteed count". He says, "no reason to do it then"..

You can't fix stupid...

[wildweeds]

A good vet can palpitate to at least feel if there are any in there.I know who you talking about I think,you'd think he'd spend the xray money,he probably is going to try to sell those 700 dollar pups for 2000.With ANY kind of artificial the Xray after 50 days is MANDATORY,if there are less than 4 pups showing my research shows and what I WOULD do that will be cheaper in the long run should disaster occur with large pups getting stuck in the birth canal.Scheduled C section.

Yeah, He didn't want to listen and also paid for AI and a very expensive stud fee for the straw. She's due in two weeks and he said he can't really tell if she's pregnant. I asked if he did an ultra sound or x-ray yet for a count. He said, "vet did that last time and didn't get the count right. The vet missed a pup" I said,"yeah, that's normal it isn't an guaranteed count". He says, "no reason to do it then"..

You can't fix stupid...

[WRL]

I only xray any more if I am not sure they are pregnant or its obvious they only have a couple of pups.

The section rate is higher on them because they can lack hormones  to be able to whelp properly.

I don't US any more. Doesn't matter if there are pups at 4 weeks. Because that is no guarantee there will be pups at 9 weeks.

Oxytocin is hardly ever used any more by most breeders. The recommended drug of choice is soluble calcium.

WRL

[Happy Gilmore]

I only xray any more if I am not sure they are pregnant or its obvious they only have a couple of pups.

The section rate is higher on them because they can lack hormones  to be able to whelp properly.

I don't US any more. Doesn't matter if there are pups at 4 weeks. Because that is no guarantee there will be pups at 9 weeks.

Oxytocin is hardly ever used any more by most breeders. The recommended drug of choice is soluble calcium.

WRL

Oral and injection. I had my vet give me the oral tubes and also the injection at the recommendation of a world famous Chessie breeder. Calcium deficiencies can be to blame for a couple problems which can arise. Then there is the manual manipulation to cause contractions. I had to be taught that one by my whelping supervisor. Well, I could feel one puppy left and it worked.

[Old Dog]

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[chiefeng]

I lost my lab a few month ago and would be interest in purchasing one of those pups if you have any available