Carbon Express Mutiny's? (Revised)

[duck1187]

I hate them for durability loved axis im gonna back to them much more durable

[MtnMuley]

I'm not sure why because it doesn't make sense to me, but I've ruined/broke a lot more fmj's than axis arrows.

[stickflngr]

I shoot hem and there great medicine for elk. Do they bend,,, yep . Ive bent or broke 3-4 last year stump shooting. My Axis were a little more durable but I really like the extra weight

[RadSav]

I put more then a few threw some animals. I love the weight but they bend just like aluminum arrows. So any little whack or skip and they are out of whack and time to throw in the trash.

If you are throwing them in the trash your crazy!  With the carbon core they are always wanting to go straight.  Just a little tweaking with your hand and BAM back to straight.  Super durable in my experience.

I've taken a dozen or so animals with them (400, 340 and 300's) and have no complaints.  I just hate the hidden insert thing.  Most guys that are having accuracy issues with them are trying to use 100 grain points and aluminum HIT inserts leading to FOC issues.  And none of the super slim shafts are much for stability as the shaft weight is located too close to the axis of the shaft for any kind of gyro stability.  If you are looking for a deep penetrating shaft weight that doesn't run excessive they are a good way to go.  Just remember to use a brass insert or heavy broadhead for best results.

Oh, and pulling them from 3-D targets is a dream!  SO much nicer than all carbon when your pulling arrows all day on the range.

[RadSav]

Also, with the aluminum they run a little lighter in dynamic spine than comparable all carbon shafts.  So if you are on the edge in spine deflection your better off to step up to the next stiffer shaft.

[stevemiller]

Thanks for all that info rad,wow someone said earlier to hit you up on this and now we can all know why.What broadheads do you like to use and weight?Arrow and head? 

[demontang]

Radsav is my hero

[blackveltbowhunter]

I put more then a few threw some animals. I love the weight but they bend just like aluminum arrows. So any little whack or skip and they are out of whack and time to throw in the trash.

If you are throwing them in the trash your crazy!  With the carbon core they are always wanting to go straight.  Just a little tweaking with your hand and BAM back to straight.  Super durable in my experience.

I've taken a dozen or so animals with them (400, 340 and 300's) and have no complaints.  I just hate the hidden insert thing.  Most guys that are having accuracy issues with them are trying to use 100 grain points and aluminum HIT inserts leading to FOC issues.  And none of the super slim shafts are much for stability as the shaft weight is located too close to the axis of the shaft for any kind of gyro stability.  If you are looking for a deep penetrating shaft weight that doesn't run excessive they are a good way to go.  Just remember to use a brass insert or heavy broadhead for best results.

Oh, and pulling them from 3-D targets is a dream!  SO much nicer than all carbon when your pulling arrows all day on the range.

  Love pulling them from targets!!! I shot them for the last few years I found them to be plenty durable, and they are a quality arrow.  I mimic Rad about FOC.  To get the FOC I needed for consistent and forgiving broadhead flight my overall arrow weight was heavy to very heavy.

[RadSav]

What broadheads do you like to use and weight?Arrow and head? 

I've never found a broadhead under 1-1/4" that I couldn't get to fly well.  With proper FOC and a good helical even with the small diameter shafts you should be able to get them to fly consistently.  I try to make sure I have at least twice as much fletching as blade and I put as much helical on as possible.  Not all that easy on those slim shafts but it can be done with a good jig.  Go four fletch if you don't have a good helical clamp.  And then whatever head you chose make sure it gives you close to 12% or more FOC.  It makes a huge difference in these skinny shafted arrows.

Since I make broadheads I'm always testing something new.  So I can't really tell you what I shoot on which shaft.  Sometimes I do not have the luxury of increasing my head weight when I have a certain head that needs field work.  In those cases I custom make brass or stainless inserts to achieve the proper FOC.  I like 12%, but more never hurt anything...within reason.  11.5 - 15% would be my targeted FOC if I were you.

Hitting FOC on these shafts can often be very difficult.  While I like arrow wraps I usually fletch FMJ's without them.  Four Blazers are also quite a bit of weight.  So when four fletching those I tend to use Flex-Fletch Flash vanes.  I never use lighted nocks except to dark tune.  And most of the time my insert weight is between 40 and 50 grains.  This all means that my arrow speed is rarely ever more than 280 fps.  But since I use a rangefinder...who really cares.  Anything inside 60 yards is going to be burnt toast.

[Smossy]

What broadheads do you like to use and weight?Arrow and head? 

I've never found a broadhead under 1-1/4" that I couldn't get to fly well.  With proper FOC and a good helical even with the small diameter shafts you should be able to get them to fly consistently.  I try to make sure I have at least twice as much fletching as blade and I put as much helical on as possible.  Not all that easy on those slim shafts but it can be done with a good jig.  Go four fletch if you don't have a good helical clamp.  And then whatever head you chose make sure it gives you close to 12% or more FOC.  It makes a huge difference in these skinny shafted arrows.

Since I make broadheads I'm always testing something new.  So I can't really tell you what I shoot on which shaft.  Sometimes I do not have the luxury of increasing my head weight when I have a certain head that needs field work.  In those cases I custom make brass or stainless inserts to achieve the proper FOC.  I like 12%, but more never hurt anything...within reason.  11.5 - 15% would be my targeted FOC if I were you.

Hitting FOC on these shafts can often be very difficult.  While I like arrow wraps I usually fletch FMJ's without them.  Four Blazers are also quite a bit of weight.  So when four fletching those I tend to use Flex-Fletch Flash vanes.  I never use lighted nocks except to dark tune.  And most of the time my insert weight is between 40 and 50 grains.  This all means that my arrow speed is rarely ever more than 280 fps.  But since I use a rangefinder...who really cares.  Anything inside 60 yards is going to be burnt toast.

Lol @ Burnt toast, Dang awesome terminology, Who taught you that one bry?

[hughjorgan]

Keep your eye out on camofire they sell the fmj pretty regularly...

[xXLojackXx]

I have shot the FMJ's for about 4 years now. They penetrate well due to their weight. My 30" arrow with a 100gr tip weigh 463gr's. The last elk I shot at 58 yards burried the fletching inside the elk. Like has been stated, they bend. you might not notice it but they do.

I recently switched to the VAP V1's and wow. Not going back to the FMJ's. But at $220 a dozen, not many people do not want to shoot them. They are MUCH straighter (+/- .001"), more consistent in weight, smaller diameter, and higher quality carbon shafts. They absolutely hammer and penetrate deeper at almost 2 grains per inch lighter.

[dfresh96]

I shot the FMJ's for a couple years never cared for hidden inserts & switched to carbon xpress maxima hunters & never looked backed...the maxima hunters seem to survive my misses better than other arrows did...lol

[Smossy]

What about Carbon Express Mutiny's?

[whackmaster]

Thread should read what is the most awesome arrow on the planet
you got it right if you want to shot carbon
CARBON EXPRESS