Yellowstone is Dead

[wolfbait]

first  hunting only controls population not eco systems bud

second tell me what is habitat?
third one apex predator doesn't change eco system
fourth my teachers have more respect from hunters ,fisherman and outdoorsman
in the northwest,and all over the U.S.
fifth i'm sure one "extremest"opinion won't cause them to change the way they have been doing things which has them as the number one wildlife biology program in the U.S.
sixth I'm pretty sure you and me are going to disagree with your doomsday theory   
and i'm going to leave it at that because by the look of your user name you well never have a open mind about wildlife.You well only care about YOUR hunting and just forget about the rest of the wildlife

Do you even know what ecosystem means? Do you think that the game herds we had twenty years ago were not controlled by hunting and management? Do you think that introducing a predator that was never in the lower 48, and then protecting it above all other wildlife is wildlife management. Is this what you were taught by your new progressive teachers?

 

[The scout]

hey be nice his family is made of farmers and ranchers

[wolfbait]

  Alight let me help you out. I do not like wolves ,coyotes,cougars,bobcats or anything in that predator area I have made a killing off of my skill's as a predator hunter.Now i'm trying to make it a career as a wildlife biologist.My family on both sides are all ranchers and farmers,I grew up dealing with things that happen in that line of work and some you shouldn't have to face Like grizzly bears.As I start learning more about wildlife a couple of views have changed but not that much i just now have a understanding as too what leads predators to do the things they do when I try to explain that all i get is kill them all responses.
 I have friends everywhere wolfbait only thung thats not going to pretty is the look on your face when I have a pack of wolves no longer stealing my air for a trophy pic 

You don't come off as sounding that way in your past post. Would you like to talk about habitat some more?

[wolfbait]

hey be nice his family is made of farmers and ranchers

We been down that road in past post with people who claimed the same, right here on this site back in 09. It didn't fly then and it ain't flying now

[jon.brown509]

it's the complex of a community of organisms and its environment functioning as an ecological unit.Hunting only can fix the population not the eco system see there are four levels Organism – population – community –ecosystem Great example of a failed attempt at fixing the community was that crap they did along the Columbia river it didn't fix a thing and did nothing but waste money resources and time.
 Herds 20 years ago where so unhealthy and had so many diseases that it devastated the landscape,And for the record the predator was in the lower 48 started in Montana 
 Tell you what wolfbait come on down to Mosco and tell every one of them how progressive they are,Or would you rather roar from a keyboard ?lol pretty sure they would love you Funny how so many people down here in idaho love these guys for attempting to spear head a better wolf management plan that the " " can't turn down.
I'm telling you bud you have me laughing pretty good at how bad you think we are being taught come on down and chat with them i think they well put your mind at ease.lol
 I just probably suck at regurgitating what i'm taught lol 

[wolfbait]

it's the complex of a community of organisms and its environment functioning as an ecological unit.Hunting only can fix the population not the eco system see there are four levels Organism – population – community –ecosystem Great example of a failed attempt at fixing the community was that crap they did along the Columbia river it didn't fix a thing and did nothing but waste money resources and time.
 Herds 20 years ago where so unhealthy and had so many diseases that it devastated the landscape,And for the record the predator was in the lower 48 started in Montana 
 Tell you what wolfbait come on down to Mosco and tell every one of them how progressive they are,Or would you rather roar from a keyboard ?lol pretty sure they would love you Funny how so many people down here in idaho love these guys for attempting to spear head a better wolf management plan that the " " can't turn down.
I'm telling you bud you have me laughing pretty good at how bad you think we are being taught come on down and chat with them i think they well put your mind at ease.lol
 I just probably suck at regurgitating what i'm taught lol 

"it's the complex of a community of organisms and its environment functioning as an ecological unit.Hunting only can fix the population not the eco system see there are four levels Organism – population – community –ecosystem"

I thought we were talking about the impact wolves were having on the game herds? Then we went to habitat, now we are dealing with "your ecosystem".

Did you know that we, thats the people of this age have micro ecosystems? Do you know what that means? It means that everything up until the Yukon wolves were introduced and in WA case cougars and bears were allowed to be hunted with hounds and controlled predators, we had a balanced ecosystem. Because they took away the tools to manage predators we no longer have the balance.

Each state controls their "ecosystem" different.

[JLS]

I thought we were talking about the impact wolves were having on the game herds? Then we went to habitat, now we are dealing with "your ecosystem".

I thought we were talking about Agenda 21, black helicopters, and the UN takeover of the world?

[jon.brown509]

 We have a disagreement you have a nice night
 
 my team is going to the superbowl btw GO HAWKS !!!!!!

[wolfbait]

I would be happy to load your e-mail box with up to date real time learning it you are interested. 

[Axle]

Did you know that we, thats the people of this age have micro ecosystems? Do you know what that means? It means that everything up until the Yukon wolves were introduced and in WA case cougars and bears were allowed to be hunted with hounds and controlled predators, we had a balanced ecosystem. Because they took away the tools to manage predators we no longer have the balance.

You are right Wolfbait. God gave mankind the authority to manage wildlife when he created Adam. In the 'absence' of mankind, God did create a system that will manage itself; but in a system without humans, there is not a managed or over-abundant supply of food for mankind. Mankind in responsible for 'managing' the 'balance' as needed or necessary. The management that has been done in the past few decades has gone miserably wrong but look who has been in Olympia and the Whitehouse and it will come as no surprise. Our management tools are being destroyed.
Man is responsible for managing the animal kingdom. Many state that we are the apex predator. They are wrong. We are not predators (though this may seem to be splitting hairs (hares? ) to some) but we are the 'managers'. It is our God-given responsibility. This is the truth that many do not want to hear but it is the responsibility we have been given.
When evil-doers want to separate us from God's will, they do things such as - introduce a non-native species like the Canadian Grey wolf (which was only introduced to destroy).
Those of us who want to properly manage are sad to see the introduction of non-native wolves. We also didn't like the managed and aggressive increase in cougars and bears which wiped out many strong elk herds. The decrease in elk herds cut season dates shorter and made some areas a permit only area.
There is a plan of action in place and we are seeing it play out before our eyes.

If there were any natives wolves left, I would consider a managed number of them. I do not support a non-native wolf anywhere in this nation. Not even in a zoo! I don't trust disease!
Manager will be held to a higher level when judged. 

[Spurs]

Mech Denounces "Balance-of-Nature"

Hornocker?s recommendations indicate that he had learned the balance-of-nature theory was a figment of the imagination and that uncontrolled predators will eventually deplete game populations. David Mech continued to observe the wolf and moose populations on Isle Royale and the wolf and white-tailed deer populations in Minnesota and proved the destructive theory was wrong.
For several years there had been 20-25 wolves and about 600 moose on the 210 square mile island. The wolves were killing most of the calves each year and the moose population remained about the same.
Then, in the late 1960s and early 70s, several severe winters hit and, with easier hunting in deep snow, wolves began to kill large numbers of moose that were not eaten. The moose population nose-dived and the wolf population quickly doubled.
But as more moose were killed, the Isle Royale wolves, with no alternate prey species, began to starve. Soon, disease and cannibalism caused additional deaths.
Mech was also observing the wolf and white-tailed deer situation in northeastern Minnesota and the same scenario played out there, with some exceptions. The wolves quickly destroyed much of the famous whitetail herd during the severe 1968-69 winter and most of the fawns that were born in 1969 failed to survive.
As was the case on Isle Royale with moose, the wolves quickly increased when prey was easier to kill and the increased number of wolves then killed more adult deer. But unlike, Isle Royale, many of the wolves turned to moose, their alternate prey species, while others left the area, killing livestock, domestic animals and pets and eating garbage to survive.
The wolves that remained killed most of the remaining deer and then killed each other seeking food in adjacent pack?s territory while younger wolves starved. Mech learned the hard way what experienced outdoorsmen already knew, that wolves and other predators must be killed whenever their prey species declines.
Minnesota was forced to shut down all deer hunting statewide in 1971 and Mech denounced the balance-of-nature theory and said that wolf control programs were essential to maintain healthy prey and predator populations.
Idaho Biologists Conceal Truth
Yet university wildlife biologists like Idaho?s Jim Peek continued to teach the false theory, and brainwashed IDFG wildlife biologists and commissioners continued to preach and practice it.
Unlike Dr. Mech, they have ignored 30 years of long term scientific studies which proved, beyond any doubt, that predators must be killed to restore healthy predator prey balance whenever natural or man caused disasters, including overharvesting, reduce the available prey population.
http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website … ompass.pdf

[Spurs]

Wolves Killing off Deer

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9C03E3D7163EE033A25755C2A9639C946697D6CF

As we are seeing, wolves need to be controlled, hunting them as a big game animal is not control.

[bigmacc]

Wolves Killing off Deer

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9C03E3D7163EE033A25755C2A9639C946697D6CF

As we are seeing, wolves need to be controlled, hunting them as a big game animal is not control.

That was a very sobering read,thanks Spurs.

[Axle]

Wolves Killing off Deer

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9C03E3D7163EE033A25755C2A9639C946697D6CF

Good one Spurs! And to think - they actually referred to them as Timber Wolves which is what we had back then. Imagine that.