spring bear is tough in the north east part,fall we take 3 to 5 every year see up to 10 or 15,they are so good eating,you cant believe it,huckleberry fed.we try to stay in the 4 to 5 year old 5 footer,s but a few have went over 20 years,never new the lived that long,this year mine was old and blind realy shot him at 18 yds.