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Re: Anybody ever get a dog from WALABS?
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2013, 08:42:27 AM »
My cut and paste from Word didn't work. Bear with my edits.

This is from WALABS Website. My comments will be in bold italic and underlined- I hope this helps some folks understand why asking questions and getting with educated dog folks is important no matter what you are paying for a new dog.


WALABS offers the following guarantee to the original buyer only.

We guarantee the puppy to be free of PRA (progressive retinal atrophy) for up to 1 year of age. PRA usually onsets later in a dogs’ life, around 4 if I remember correctly.
If you suspect your puppy has PRA, it must be verified by a certified Canine Ophthalmologist with CERF. PRA is not detected via CERF. PRA is a genetic disease and is a DNA test. CERF is simply a viewing of the dogs retina looking for cataracts. Completely different. CERF should be done regularly before each breeding. Most good breeders have their dogs CERF'd once a year. We guarantee the puppy to be free of hip dysplasia and elbow dysplasia for up to 25 months of age. You can only do pre-lim hip (OFA) prior to 24 months of age.
If your veterinarian suspects a dysplasia problem, the x-ray showing this condition must be verified
by the OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals). This x-ray must be done before 25 months of age. OFA cannot be tested until the dog is 24 months of age. Results can take a few months. There is NO WAY you can get an OFA back before this limit on his contract would expire. If any of these conditions are verified, We the breeder has the option of either refunding the entire purchase price,
or replacing the dog with a puppy of comparable breeding when available.
The first puppy will have to be returned to WALABS with its AKC paperwork.
In any case, all veterinary, diagnostic, return, and replacement costs will be the owner's responsibility. You spend all the money to do the tests to prove the problem. He’s banking that you will probably really like the dog, most people do after two years and won’t return it. He’ll look the other way at this point and say, return the dog. If you do return it, you’ll be on some distant waiting list. Also likely, you’ll get another pup from the same crap unhealthy breeding. You’ll get to do the same thing all over again.
These guarantees are dependent upon demonstration that the puppy has received adequate care and nutrition.
Anything that affects the development or well-being of the puppy, such as abuse, neglect,
trauma (i.e. jumping in the air for frisbees), or being used for breeding will void these guarantees. This statement is a completely open ended “catch all” to blame you for pretty much letting the dog be a dog. “oh, you play catch with your dog? Oh, you didn’t go to the vet three times a month?” They’ll say anything, make up anything to make the problem your fault.
The following puppies will NOT carry ANY kind of guarantee. Shipped puppies, puppies NOT bred through us. EA Rescue labs, I have no idea what this means. Are they getting dogs from the pound and re-selling them? Shipped puppies?? What does shipping have to do with hip dysplasia?

This is the type of disclaimer that when you read it, you don’t walk away, you run like hell!


I'm worried about Jim's interpretation of how genetic testing works and the promises made in his guarantee. I bolded and highlighted my comments. Hopefully, he's learned something and has done some research on the differences between PRA, CERF and OFA timelines. This taken straight off his website shows a serious lack of comprehension and understanding of health testing. As far as miniature labs? If I ever see anyone intentionally breeding dwarf labs, I'll call them an idiot to their face. Dwarfism(not miniature) is a serious genetic defect and should never be promoted. Many will argue breeding two chocolate dilute genes to produce a silver is also a bad practice although, I'm not a study on the subject so, I'll refrain from commenting about "designer breeds" such as silver labs and Labradoodle mixes sold for big bucks because of trendiness.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2013, 09:52:45 AM by Happy Gilmore »
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Re: Anybody ever get a dog from WALABS?
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2013, 11:14:30 AM »
My cut and paste from Word didn't work. Bear with my edits.

This is from WALABS Website. My comments will be in bold italic and underlined- I hope this helps some folks understand why asking questions and getting with educated dog folks is important no matter what you are paying for a new dog.


WALABS offers the following guarantee to the original buyer only.

We guarantee the puppy to be free of PRA (progressive retinal atrophy) for up to 1 year of age. PRA usually onsets later in a dogs’ life, around 4 if I remember correctly.
If you suspect your puppy has PRA, it must be verified by a certified Canine Ophthalmologist with CERF. PRA is not detected via CERF. PRA is a genetic disease and is a DNA test. CERF is simply a viewing of the dogs retina looking for cataracts. Completely different. CERF should be done regularly before each breeding. Most good breeders have their dogs CERF'd once a year. We guarantee the puppy to be free of hip dysplasia and elbow dysplasia for up to 25 months of age. You can only do pre-lim hip (OFA) prior to 24 months of age.
If your veterinarian suspects a dysplasia problem, the x-ray showing this condition must be verified
by the OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals). This x-ray must be done before 25 months of age. OFA cannot be tested until the dog is 24 months of age. Results can take a few months. There is NO WAY you can get an OFA back before this limit on his contract would expire. If any of these conditions are verified, We the breeder has the option of either refunding the entire purchase price,
or replacing the dog with a puppy of comparable breeding when available.
The first puppy will have to be returned to WALABS with its AKC paperwork.
In any case, all veterinary, diagnostic, return, and replacement costs will be the owner's responsibility. You spend all the money to do the tests to prove the problem. He’s banking that you will probably really like the dog, most people do after two years and won’t return it. He’ll look the other way at this point and say, return the dog. If you do return it, you’ll be on some distant waiting list. Also likely, you’ll get another pup from the same crap unhealthy breeding. You’ll get to do the same thing all over again.
These guarantees are dependent upon demonstration that the puppy has received adequate care and nutrition.
Anything that affects the development or well-being of the puppy, such as abuse, neglect,
trauma (i.e. jumping in the air for frisbees), or being used for breeding will void these guarantees. This statement is a completely open ended “catch all” to blame you for pretty much letting the dog be a dog. “oh, you play catch with your dog? Oh, you didn’t go to the vet three times a month?” They’ll say anything, make up anything to make the problem your fault.
The following puppies will NOT carry ANY kind of guarantee. Shipped puppies, puppies NOT bred through us. EA Rescue labs, I have no idea what this means. Are they getting dogs from the pound and re-selling them? Shipped puppies?? What does shipping have to do with hip dysplasia?

This is the type of disclaimer that when you read it, you don’t walk away, you run like hell!


I'm worried about Jim's interpretation of how genetic testing works and the promises made in his guarantee. I bolded and highlighted my comments. Hopefully, he's learned something and has done some research on the differences between PRA, CERF and OFA timelines. This taken straight off his website shows a serious lack of comprehension and understanding of health testing. As far as miniature labs? If I ever see anyone intentionally breeding dwarf labs, I'll call them an idiot to their face. Dwarfism(not miniature) is a serious genetic defect and should never be promoted. Many will argue breeding two chocolate dilute genes to produce a silver is also a bad practice although, I'm not a study on the subject so, I'll refrain from commenting about "designer breeds" such as silver labs and Labradoodle mixes sold for big bucks because of trendiness.

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Re: Anybody ever get a dog from WALABS?
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2014, 09:38:49 PM »
I am appauled by seeing this post and thread about Walabs Kennel. I purchased my fox red from walabs in dec 2011, we drove from Sacramento CA to get him. He has always been very healthy. Yes he had worms... so what?? a good vet will tell you that it is NORMAL, a couple of deworming once they are away from the litter mates and problem solved..... Jim Young of Walabs, loves his dogs and puppies and takes care of them very well; he is always here to answer questions.  My dog Niner is a great family dog and a hunter. He hunts ducks very well, with barely any training.  Walabs Kennel is no puppy mill.. That's non sense. Dogs have large pens, everything can be viewed on the cameras. I'm getting my second walab next weekend. I've seen him grow up on the cameras for past 7 weeks.  Check out Facebook and the other families with more than 1 lab... Plus it's not internet sales... Yes he has a website, who doesn't? it's 2013.  Bad mouthing is easy. but no one realizes the impact you are having on people by slandering..... I stand by WALABS Kennel at 200% and recommend his labs to anyone. Specially Hunters.
Yes! We do understand the impact sharing information has  :tup: :tup: and if it impacts a business  :'( :'( then hopefully they will change their business practices to benefit the animals they are profiting from!! :dunno:

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Re: Anybody ever get a dog from WALABS?
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2014, 01:10:00 AM »
There were doctors who sold medicine out of wagons in towns throughout the west with great success during the gold rush.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checked by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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